obviously pit declines. you have to add

Philly trade is pretty dreadful for Flames imo. Hayes don't have much trade value. Other moves need work value-wise imo too, don't see Leafs, Pens or Canes agreeing to these offers, meanwhile Backlund should get way more than that.

I think leafs would accept tbh

These are horrible for Calgary

No they wouldn't. They are not trading Nylander

Canes have no need nor interest in Vladar

Maybe....Lindholm is obviously THE player in that deal, but Hayes at 4mil, a 30yr with 3 yrs left, 50pt guy, and more of a playmaker than a goal scorer is a pretty good pickup and not a bad placeholder. The CBS 2nd in 2024 should be quite high, stay at home LD Ginning was a 2nd round pick who had an impressive 1st yr in North America and is worth a 2nd, and a 4th isnt a bad return. Lindholm will get a substantial payday and right now, IMO, should get a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. They get a reasonably cheap 2C, 2 2nds and a 4th which I dont think is a bad return.

Its a pretty weak return from CAR, and they might want to turn over their net to Kyoto or bring back Andersen and have Vladar as steady backup, but its a 4th. As for PIT, Tanev is the better stay at home defender and they need to make hay this year before crosby, Malkin, Letang, etc.... turn ancient....Tanev, Letang, Petry would be more balanced on the RD than Petersen (and PIT has POJ and Ty Smith at LD).

And no one (CGY and TOR fans) is going to be happy with that trade. For TOR it gives them a downgrade but still maintains offense in their top 6, but upgrades their defense, while dumping Murray.

Just looking to avoid the UFA contract armageddon at the end of 23-24, but still have Dube, Zadorov, Nylander, Kylington while bringing in some youth and getting some picks.

I hope they don’t trade him, but I meant if for some reason he becomes adamant on not re signing

Why would Philly want Lindholm? Unless this is a three team trade it doesn’t make sense

Ideally, they would have the cap space to re-sign him and not have to be reliant on Couturier at 1C or 2C. A Lindholm-Frost-Couturier center group with Cates back at LW sounds better, also Lindholm is a good playmaker/passer, and PHI have a ton of wingers who are shooters/scorers (Brink, Koneckny, Farabee, Tippett, Foerester, Gautheir, Atkinson) but lack playmakers

When you put it that way it sounds a little better, but it's still very much a beatable offer. Someone like Wild offers him Rossi+21st overall since they desperately need a player like Lindholm and I'd definitely choose that offer over the Philly one - and whose to say that's the best they can get. Since the UFA market is so poor, Lindholm's value as an asset is probably even higher than it'd normally be, as he's fairly easily the best center in the market.

Pettersson is relatively young and inked for multiple years, trading him for Tanev would mean the average age between their RHDs is like 34...that's way too much, and they don't have virtually no experienced LHDs at all with Dumoulin also leaving. Keeping Pettersson imo is the play here. Just to put it into perspective, imagine how inexperienced Tampa's right side would be without Cernak...it's virtually nonexistent at that point.

Canes already have a 2G in Kochetkov. Whoever will be their 1G is interesting to see, but I think they can do a lot better than Vladar. I think Vladar will go near the season start to any team needing a 2G that didn't get one from free agency, since he's nothing special, somewhat similar as to how Hill went from SJ to VGK for a mid round pick at the end of August.

TOR should only deal Nylander for absolutely the best offer, involving Murray to the trade and making it a $13M dollar dump just lessens the value and the overall package they'd get. To me it just isn't a scenario they'd be interested to entertain.

Imo CGY needs to deal all their pending UFAs - the top ones prior to season start (Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli) and the mid ones near the deadline when their value is at its highest (Backlund, Zadorov etc...) since none of them is reportedly willing to re-sign.

Why would Pit trade a younger, better, cheaper dman for an older, less good, more expensive dman with less term?

I guess it depends if you view all defensemen the same.

Tanev a natural RD, stay at home, defensive dman is probably the perfect partner for POJ or Ty Smith. Considering the age of their team, they really need POJ and Smith to succeed. While LD Petersen is younger and a bit cheaper, and is a good 2LD, he doesnt excel on either sides of the puck, but PIT needs something this year - they've tied their boat to crosby, letang, malkin, petry long term and 2 yrs out of the playoffs would really mean tear it down.

Why wouldn’t the Leafs accept. You dump Murray, you get Toffoli for 2.5Mil less than Nylander for one more year, and you get a defenceman that would add some size to the defense. Toronto isn’t going to be able to resign Nylander anyways. Might as well move on now.

Then her certainly wouldn't resign in Calgary

The timing I agree with, but Petterson was very good with Letang and Petry last year. He might be a #2LHD but I doubt they would trade him for a #3RHD.

I would also argue that Petterson is very good defensively. He ranked 129th in expected goals against and 63rd in high-danger shots against last year and 4th / 64th the year before.

Now, to your point, Tanev ranked top 15 in all of those categories in the last 2 years. He is very good defensively. If the Pens moved on from Petry, I could see them trying to get Tanev (though even then, not at the cost of Petterson).

Based on their numbers, I will change my remark that Petterson is the better dman. He isn't. But this trade robs Peter to pay Paul for the Pens. If they want a 3rd pair dman, and they trade Rutta, they will likely find one in the UFA market. I'm a big fan of De Haan.

How many times do you guys want to be wrong about the leafs being able to keep their core? Dumping Murray won't cost too much. Nylander is 5 times the player Toffoli is and while Hanafin is tall, he isn't exactly physical. Plus Toffoli is several years older than Nylander as well. So you take out Nylander and add some rentals that will cost more to resign. Why not just get hanafin without losing nylander, who wouldn't resign in Calgary anyways.

Maybe not, but he was born and raised in Calgary so...

Toronto won’t be able to stomach the 9Mil that he will get in free agency

Born not raised, he spent more time in Washington and swedem

Yeah they will

I didn't know this, sorry

I predict 8.8M x8 years

He'll sign with whoever has the capspace to ink the deal. Guy just loves dollar signs.

Besides Hayes never waiving to Flames, seems like too much for Flyers to give up for one year of Lindholm. Then think you have undersold the value of Backholm .
Wow, the Leafs certainly take that deal. Flames obtain one year of good value Nylander and a cap dump for two good one year value in Hanifan and Toffelli. That's a poor trade for Flames.
I see in the comments "well they could resign him". Crazy to base trades on signing UFAs....especially older ones who shouldn't be getting eight year contracts.