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Guhle for Dubois

Created by: jonh514
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 23, 2023
Published: Jun. 23, 2023
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Description
Many Habs fans will hate this, but we are stacked at LHD, and as they say you need to give value to get value.

Our 2023 LHD could be:

Matheson
Harris
Xhekaj
Eddy

2024 LHD could be:

Matheson
Harris
Xhekaj
Hutson
Engstrom

Trading Guhle for Dubois is expensive, but it might be the right move
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,000,000
3$1,750,000
Trades
MTL
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
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The mythical "hockey trade"
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Guhle, Kaiden
Additional Details:
Guhle for Dubois
Dvorak for DeMelo
Buyouts
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2023
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2024
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23$83,500,000$75,283,333$1,170,000$3,790,000$8,216,667
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
UFA - 8
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 4
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
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$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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RD
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$1,925,000$1,925,000
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$828,333$828,333
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RFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3

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Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:37 a.m.
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Ya no
Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:38 a.m.
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PLD isn't going to Montreal to make more than their franchise captain, nor is Hughes moving Guhle for an overrated 2C
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:38 a.m.
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Guhle is alright, but isn't a need for Winnipeg as an LHD and dumping Dvorak hurts that value for Montreal. Montreal is better off keeping Guhle.

I'd imagine the Jets trade PLD to fill team needs, not to clog up their position of greatest depth more. They definitely wouldn't be adding DeMelo to take back a bad contract.
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Ennis
PLD isn't going to Montreal to make more than their franchise captain, nor is Hughes moving Guhle for an overrated 2C


If you consider percentage of cap when the deal was signed, I'm not sure this is technically more. You are buying up UFA years, and they are simply more expensive.

As for Guhle, he's a good young player, but then so is Dubois. If you project 1-2 years out... Who is your #1 LHD? Hutson is the guy most fans are pinning their hopes on. Do you project Guhle to be better than Hutson? Are you moving Matheson?

Having good players and Maximizing the value of those players is critical. This trade is really not dissimilar to Dach for Romanov, except that both Dubois and Guhle are better than Dach and Romanov were at the time they were traded.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:48 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Guhle is alright, but isn't a need for Winnipeg as an LHD and dumping Dvorak hurts that value for Montreal. Montreal is better off keeping Guhle.

I'd imagine the Jets trade PLD to fill team needs, not to clog up their position of greatest depth more. They definitely wouldn't be adding DeMelo to take back a bad contract.


I hear you Windjammer, but what are you gonna do. Habs and Jets have the same organizational strengths and weaknesses. We can't trade you the players we do have without opening holes. We can't trade you the players we don't have, and your GM does not want picks.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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I hear you Windjammer, but what are you gonna do. Habs and Jets have the same organizational strengths and weaknesses. We can't trade you the players we do have without opening holes. We can't trade you the players we don't have, and your GM does not want picks.


You've outlined exactly why PLD likely won't be traded to Montreal. The Jets can get a more suitable package elsewhere.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
You've outlined exactly why PLD likely won't be traded to Montreal. The Jets can get a more suitable package elsewhere.


More power to them if they can, but I doubt it.

What the heck is he doing hanging out with Suzuki, Caufield, Savard and Subban galavanting around Montreal anyway. He's really making it hard on your GM to trade him anywhere else.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.
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More power to them if they can, but I doubt it.

What the heck is he doing hanging out with Suzuki, Caufield, Savard and Subban galavanting around Montreal anyway. He's really making it hard on your GM to trade him anywhere else.


You realize he lives in Montreal in the off season right? He was also hanging out with Zegras, does that mean he's going to Anaheim?

You really need to stop believing everything you read from Montreal beat reporters as gospel.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 10:58 a.m.
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You realize he lives in Montreal in the off season right? He was also hanging out with Zegras, does that mean he's going to Anaheim?

You really need to stop believing everything you read from Montreal beat reporters as gospel.


And with Jack Hughes, Subban…he is going to Jersey!
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:02 a.m.
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Guhle is going to be fantastic, but this would leave Winnipeg with one RSD in their top 6, so it would be a no.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:03 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
And with Jack Hughes, Subban…he is going to Jersey!


Some Montreal fans have really been scrambling for something to support their fantasy since it came out that PLD is willing to go to other teams than Montreal.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Some Montreal fans have really been scrambling for something to support their fantasy since it came out that PLD is willing to go to other teams than Montreal.


Some Winnipeg fans really been living rent rent free on CapFriendly expecting to get a massive package for an overrated diva.
Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:10 a.m.
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Some Montreal fans have really been scrambling for something to support their fantasy since it came out that PLD is willing to go to other teams than Montreal.


Good time to remind people that the Devils Assistant GM, captain, 1C, 1LD, 1LW and rookie goalie all speak French. (Tatar too, but he is probably leaving).
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.
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Good time to remind people that the Devils Assistant GM, captain, 1C, 1LD, 1LW and rookie goalie all speak French. (Tatar too, but he is probably leaving).


Only another week of this and then the saga should be over.
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:14 a.m.
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4th d and 3rd line center for 1st line center and top pair d, seems like a good hockey trade
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Ennis
PLD isn't going to Montreal to make more than their franchise captain, nor is Hughes moving Guhle for an overrated 2C


Chevy isn't moving PLD for a vastly overrated 2nd pairing d man (and personally I wouldn't move the extremely underrated top DFD Demelo for vastly overrated Dvorak)
Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.
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Chevy isn't moving PLD for a vastly overrated 2nd pairing d man (and personally I wouldn't move the extremely underrated top DFD Demelo for vastly overrated Dvorak)


PLD you are a Guandong Tiger! Ni Hao!
Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:43 a.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
If you consider percentage of cap when the deal was signed, I'm not sure this is technically more. You are buying up UFA years, and they are simply more expensive.

As for Guhle, he's a good young player, but then so is Dubois. If you project 1-2 years out... Who is your #1 LHD? Hutson is the guy most fans are pinning their hopes on. Do you project Guhle to be better than Hutson? Are you moving Matheson?

Having good players and Maximizing the value of those players is critical. This trade is really not dissimilar to Dach for Romanov, except that both Dubois and Guhle are better than Dach and Romanov were at the time they were traded.


Projecting 2 years out is a mistake, Hutson may be the Habs 1LD then (I seriously doubt he will be more than a 2nd pairing D since he wont be put out against the likes of McDavid and Matthews to get ran over every shift) but he could also be another Mete. Guhle is a known commodity and one who brings size, skating and a well rounded defensive game. He may never put up the offensive numbers that Hutson could but 40-50 points isn't out of the question either. For me he is the Habs future 1LD, he is kind of a cross between Weber and Petry and both of them were 1 D men. Better off to trade futures or Engstrom over Guhle. If you are insistent on moving Guhle send him somewhere in need of a top 4 LHD and get an equally good young top 4 RHD back, then use Barron to trade for Dubois.
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 11:46 a.m.
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Projecting 2 years out is a mistake, Hutson may be the Habs 1LD then (I seriously doubt he will be more than a 2nd pairing D since he wont be put out against the likes of McDavid and Matthews to get ran over every shift) but he could also be another Mete. Guhle is a known commodity and one who brings size, skating and a well rounded defensive game. He may never put up the offensive numbers that Hutson could but 40-50 points isn't out of the question either. For me he is the Habs future 1LD, he is kind of a cross between Weber and Petry and both of them were 1 D men. Better off to trade futures or Engstrom over Guhle. If you are insistent on moving Guhle send him somewhere in need of a top 4 LHD and get an equally good young top 4 RHD back, then use Barron to trade for Dubois.


Fair insights. Obviously we see the future of this Blue Line differently but I appreciate you sharing your logic, rather than simply telling me off like most of the commentors.

Edit: Out of curiosity, how do you project Harris & Xhekaj?
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
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My dear @john514, you're the Elon Musk of ACGM -- you're only here to create chaos! 😉
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Jun. 23, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
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Quoting: VladislavTretiak
My dear john514, you're the Elon Musk of ACGM -- you're only here to create chaos! 😉


That is quite a compliment sir! Thanks!
 
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