Get CapFriendly PremiumGet CapFriendly Premium
Forums/Armchair-GM

Cap You know who you are

Created by: jsteed02
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 10, 2023
Published: Jul. 10, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Timmins can be buried or traded, and the Leafs and multiple other teams have started the season on a shortened roster. The cap situation doesn’t necessitate buyouts of Murray or Brodie. You know who you are
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$3,000,000
Trades
TOR
    This is just to prove a point it doesn’t matter what the dump takes
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2024
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the CHI
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the OTT
    2025
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the CHI
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    2026
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$83,500,000$83,443,950$0$0$56,050
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $925,000$925,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $11,640,250$11,640,250
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $10,903,000$10,903,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $11,000,000$11,000,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $6,962,366$6,962,366
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $2,100,000$2,100,000
    RW, C, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    C, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,350,000$1,350,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $796,667$796,667
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $2,400,000$2,400,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,150,000$1,150,000
    RW, C, LW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $7,500,000$7,500,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $4,150,000$4,150,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $766,667$766,667
    G
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $800,000$800,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $5,625,000$5,625,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1

    Embed Code

    • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
    • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

    Text-Embed

    Click to Highlight
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
    #1
    Leafs Sufferer
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jul. 2019
    Posts: 4,063
    Likes: 3,487
    Chicago declines.
    Patches, vikhodush and PaulKorea liked this.
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 12:01 p.m.
    #2
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2018
    Posts: 6,134
    Likes: 4,303
    Is giving up a 1st a better move now to facilitate getting Murray off the books, or is buying Murray out and using the 1st to bolster the team the deadline the right move though?
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
    #3
    exo2769
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jul. 2015
    Posts: 15,502
    Likes: 9,498
    Quoting: tryger
    Is giving up a 1st a better move now to facilitate getting Murray off the books, or is buying Murray out and using the 1st to bolster the team the deadline the right move though?


    Understood the thread starter really isn't needed CHI above, but let's pretend it is CHI. Their track record shows that it costs a 2nd rounder pick for $2,333,333. Murray (if he's bought out by the Hawks) will cost $4M. It probably won't cost a 1st IF there's still the potential for a buyout, but it probably will costs (2) 2nds and the Hawks send back a 4th or something like that.
    Garak and vikhodush liked this.
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 12:36 p.m.
    #4
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2018
    Posts: 6,134
    Likes: 4,303
    Quoting: exo2769
    Understood the thread starter really isn't needed CHI above, but let's pretend it is CHI. Their track record shows that it costs a 2nd rounder pick for $2,333,333. Murray (if he's bought out by the Hawks) will cost $4M. It probably won't cost a 1st IF there's still the potential for a buyout, but it probably will costs (2) 2nds and the Hawks send back a 4th or something like that.


    Hawks already have 3 buyouts on the season, so they will carry Murrays cap hit. 2x$5M in a cap crunch is realistically a 1st. I think the Hawks are the most realistic team to take this on. But the price seems cheaper to just buy Murray out.
    exo2769 and vikhodush liked this.
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 1:05 p.m.
    #5
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2018
    Posts: 1,085
    Likes: 1,410
    For the Hawks to bite on 6 million real dollars with Murray it is going to take every bit of a 1st or something around one of Minten/Niemela with a decent pick (2nd-4th) attached to them. I understand the Leafs preferring to buyout Murray, but the Hawks are not taking 6 million in salary for a 3rd or some of the other garbage posted in AGM's here.
    Garak and vikhodush liked this.
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
    #6
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Aug. 2021
    Posts: 320
    Likes: 224
    Any NHL owner who pays 6 million dollars for the chance to draft a kid with a 50% chance to play a single NHL game (3rd round pick) is crazy. NHL is big business, but that's bad business. Hawks would certainly ask for a first, multiple seconds, or top tier prospects. I'm sure the price has gone up since the buyout window is gone/ Hawks have used all 3.
    Garak and vikhodush liked this.
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.
    #7
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2019
    Posts: 9,957
    Likes: 9,290
    Quoting: BrianCampbell
    Any NHL owner who pays 6 million dollars for the chance to draft a kid with a 50% chance to play a single NHL game (3rd round pick) is crazy. NHL is big business, but that's bad business. Hawks would certainly ask for a first, multiple seconds, or top tier prospects. I'm sure the price has gone up since the buyout window is gone/ Hawks have used all 3.


    There is no limit on buyouts. You're thinking of retention. But, otherwise, I agree with everything you said.
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
    #8
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2019
    Posts: 9,957
    Likes: 9,290
    Quoting: exo2769
    Understood the thread starter really isn't needed CHI above, but let's pretend it is CHI. Their track record shows that it costs a 2nd rounder pick for $2,333,333. Murray (if he's bought out by the Hawks) will cost $4M. It probably won't cost a 1st IF there's still the potential for a buyout, but it probably will costs (2) 2nds and the Hawks send back a 4th or something like that.


    And TOR doesn't have any 2nd's. So it'll likely take a pick swap of a 1st for a 3rd or a 2nd that is presumed to be late.
    exo2769 and vikhodush liked this.
    Jul. 10, 2023 at 8:34 p.m.
    #9
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2023
    Posts: 309
    Likes: 57
    Quoting: wojohawk
    For the Hawks to bite on 6 million real dollars with Murray it is going to take every bit of a 1st or something around one of Minten/Niemela with a decent pick (2nd-4th) attached to them. I understand the Leafs preferring to buyout Murray, but the Hawks are not taking 6 million in salary for a 3rd or some of the other garbage posted in AGM's here.


    Sorry but that’s a ridiculously high price, one of our top prospects and a decent pick? Ridiculous
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:09 a.m.
    #10
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2018
    Posts: 1,085
    Likes: 1,410
    Quoting: jsteed02
    Sorry but that’s a ridiculously high price, one of our top prospects and a decent pick? Ridiculous


    Then use a 1st or buy Murray out.....Hawks are not taking 6 million commitment for Murray without something compelling.
    vikhodush and Garak liked this.
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:05 p.m.
    #11
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2023
    Posts: 309
    Likes: 57
    Quoting: wojohawk
    Then use a 1st or buy Murray out.....Hawks are not taking 6 million commitment for Murray without something compelling.


    Then it won’t be the hawks but don’t start deluding yourselves
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
    #12
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: May 2017
    Posts: 6,694
    Likes: 3,362
    Quoting: jsteed02
    Then it won’t be the hawks but don’t start deluding yourselves


    Who would it be then? Not trying to pick a fight but there’s a limited amount of teams that would do this based on cap, budgetary constraints for smaller markets with cap room, etc. A third rounder isn’t incentive to take Murray on. There are other options available such as a buyout but to think another owner/gm is just gonna bail you out with real dollars at stake without using their leverage to get a maximum return is delusional.
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:15 p.m.
    #13
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2023
    Posts: 309
    Likes: 57
    Quoting: vikhodush
    Who would it be then? Not trying to pick a fight but there’s a limited amount of teams that would do this based on cap, budgetary constraints for smaller markets with cap room, etc. A third rounder isn’t incentive to take Murray on. There are other options available such as a buyout but to think another owner/gm is just gonna bail you out with real dollars at stake without using their leverage to get a maximum return is delusional.


    I’m not the one in charge of answering that question
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:18 p.m.
    #14
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: May 2017
    Posts: 6,694
    Likes: 3,362
    Quoting: jsteed02
    I’m not the one in charge of answering that question


    I mean you make a post like this and then say it doesn’t have to be Chicago, I’d assume you had an opinion of where else it could be and why they’d do it without maximizing leverage. Good talk though.
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:22 p.m.
    #15
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2023
    Posts: 309
    Likes: 57
    Quoting: vikhodush
    I mean you make a post like this and then say it doesn’t have to be Chicago, I’d assume you had an opinion of where else it could be and why they’d do it without maximizing leverage. Good talk though.


    No I was just indicating chicago was not the only possible place for him to go, which we all know is true except a lot of hawks fans on here expecting massive returns
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:25 p.m.
    #16
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: May 2017
    Posts: 6,694
    Likes: 3,362
    Quoting: jsteed02
    No I was just indicating chicago was not the only possible place for him to go, which we all know is true except a lot of hawks fans on here expecting massive returns


    Right, that’s what I was asking. Assume we’re talking ANA or ARI? Maybe SJS?

    I don’t think any of them have incentive to do the deal without a big return either since they’d all be conscious of taking on 6M real dollars while in a rebuild and some of them having budgetary constraints. It can be sold to an owner still in that circumstance, but you better have something strong to show for it and a third rounder ain’t it.
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:26 p.m.
    #17
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2023
    Posts: 309
    Likes: 57
    Quoting: vikhodush
    Right, that’s what I was asking. Assume we’re talking ANA or ARI? Maybe SJS?

    I don’t think any of them have incentive to do the deal without a big return either since they’d all be conscious of taking on 6M real dollars while in a rebuild and some of them having budgetary constraints. It can be sold to an owner still in that circumstance, but you better have something strong to show for it and a third rounder ain’t it.


    Idk what your fixation on a third rounder is. I didn’t say that anywhere lol
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:29 p.m.
    #18
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: May 2017
    Posts: 6,694
    Likes: 3,362
    Quoting: jsteed02
    Idk what your fixation on a third rounder is. I didn’t say that anywhere lol


    Bc it’s going to take something valuable like a second and another pick or a first with a late pick going back to convince one of those teams to do it.
    Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:37 p.m.
    #19
    Thread Starter
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jan. 2023
    Posts: 309
    Likes: 57
    Quoting: vikhodush
    Bc it’s going to take something valuable like a second and another pick or a first with a late pick going back to convince one of those teams to do it.


    A second is reasonable. I’ve most recently seen Hawks fans asking for a 1st, Niemela, and Minten
    Jul. 12, 2023 at 10:12 a.m.
    #20
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2019
    Posts: 9,957
    Likes: 9,290
    Quoting: jsteed02
    Then it won’t be the hawks but don’t start deluding yourselves


    No one is deluding themselves. Just look at the cap dump market, then consider the fact that Kyle Davidson has openly and publicly stated he is not looking for goaltending and is done adding to the roster, aside from maybe another defenseman but he, quote, "isn't going to chase anyone". If we had a roster spot for him and a need at G, it might be more reasonable to give a discount on dumping his contract, but we don't. So, Murray is a pure cap dump, and a very expensive one at that.

    Also, consider the very real possibility that, if it were this cheap to dump Murray, it would've been done before the 2023 draft. Who uses a 1st round pick on Easton Cowan, anyway? I would've taken that Murray contract for that 28th overall pick, but I would not take that contract for Easton Cowan. That pick was worth a lot more before Treliving went and used it on a huge reach.
    Jul. 12, 2023 at 10:15 a.m.
    #21
    Avatar of the user
    Joined: Jun. 2018
    Posts: 1,085
    Likes: 1,410
    Quoting: jsteed02
    Then it won’t be the hawks but don’t start deluding yourselves


    Pretty sure I am not the one that is deluded. Can you name one 6 million dollar cap dump that went for a 2nd (what...4 drafts out) or a 3rd? I can name one that went for a 1st that was done in the last year by your GM....Monahan. Hawks do not have to use their cap space while the Leafs do absolutely need to create cap space somehow. In the end the Leafs have other ways to get cap compliant and the Hawks will have plenty of oppurtunities to use their cap space.
     
    Reply
    To create a post please Login or Register
    Question:
    Options:
    Add Option
    Submit Poll