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Philadelphia Flyers signed Cam York (2 Years / $1,600,000 AAV)

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Jul. 10, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
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Cam York has signed a new contract with the Philadelphia Flyers.
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SIGNED BY: Daniel Brière
Length: 2 years
Value: $3,200,000
Expiry Status: RFA (Arb)
Cap % Tooltip: 1.92
Signing Team: Logo of the Philadelphia FlyersPhiladelphia Flyers
Signing Date: Jul. 10, 2023
Source: CapFriendly

Cam York signed a 2 year, $3,200,000 contract with the Philadelphia Flyers on Jul. 10, 2023. The contract has a cap hit of $1,600,000.

SEASONClauseCap HitTooltipAAV TooltipP. BonusesTooltipS. BonusesTooltipBase SalaryTooltipTotal SalaryTooltipMinors SalTooltip
2023-24$1,600,000$1,600,000$0$300,000$1,300,000$1,600,000$1,600,000
2024-25$1,600,000$1,600,000$0$0$1,600,000$1,600,000$1,600,000
TOTAL$3,200,000$3,200,000$0$300,000$2,900,000$3,200,000$3,200,000
Qualifying OfferTooltip: $1,600,000
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 2:34 p.m.
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Very very good contract. He's a top 4 defenseman already and can easily see him taking the next step to become a top pair one next season.
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 2:37 p.m.
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Fair Value for probably our most steady DMan last year. Hopefully he can progress into a Good #3/#2 Dman and stay on his current trajectory



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Jul. 10, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
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Should've signed him to a longer contract instead.
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 2:44 p.m.
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He's still an RFA at the end of the contract, so this is a big win for the team.
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 4:18 p.m.
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Steal. Great young player.
Flyers future on the back end looks bright with York, Bonk, Grans, Andrae, Attard.
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 4:31 p.m.
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My first thought: who the heck said no? This is excellent?

My second thought: this still is excellent, but they probably had the chance to give him more and try to lock him up for term on a gamble. Signing guys like him for 6 years at 4ish million early on instead of bridging are how you get the Chycrun and Josi type bargain deals. It could backfire, but it was likely worth the risk. Regardless still great contract.
Jul. 10, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.
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This is a fantastic deal for the Flyers. Im a big fan of York, he's going to be special. Great stuff
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 7:29 p.m.
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Solid contract imo.
Jul. 10, 2023 at 7:36 p.m.
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Basically identical to the Sandin deal
Jul. 10, 2023 at 7:42 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
My first thought: who the heck said no? This is excellent?

My second thought: this still is excellent, but they probably had the chance to give him more and try to lock him up for term on a gamble. Signing guys like him for 6 years at 4ish million early on instead of bridging are how you get the Chycrun and Josi type bargain deals. It could backfire, but it was likely worth the risk. Regardless still great contract.


These bridge deals help the team save cap space in the short term, but as a rebuilding team I don't know why Philadelphia needs to save cap space. Maybe they're just being cautious, afraid to give out too many long-term contracts.
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Jul. 10, 2023 at 8:48 p.m.
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These bridge deals help the team save cap space in the short term, but as a rebuilding team I don't know why Philadelphia needs to save cap space. Maybe they're just being cautious, afraid to give out too many long-term contracts.


Ghost, Farabee, Sanheim, Provorov are the exact cautionary tales to not give out a "surplus-value" contract to unproven players. Couturier is the only player in recent years I can recall that the surplus contract worked out and now they are stuck with a lemon contract after.
Jul. 10, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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These bridge deals help the team save cap space in the short term, but as a rebuilding team I don't know why Philadelphia needs to save cap space. Maybe they're just being cautious, afraid to give out too many long-term contracts.


Yeah. As I said my initial thought was good deal. But the more I think about it, it feels like a missed opportunity to take a calculated gamble. I wouldn't call it a bad deal, because frankly it seems cheap for a guy who is I'll play top 4. But missed opportunity
Jul. 10, 2023 at 10:17 p.m.
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Ghost, Farabee, Sanheim, Provorov are the exact cautionary tales to not give out a "surplus-value" contract to unproven players. Couturier is the only player in recent years I can recall that the surplus contract worked out and now they are stuck with a lemon contract after.


Provorov still returned them a first. Ghost
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Ghost, Farabee, Sanheim, Provorov are the exact cautionary tales to not give out a "surplus-value" contract to unproven players. Couturier is the only player in recent years I can recall that the surplus contract worked out and now they are stuck with a lemon contract after.


Provorov isn't really an example of this for a few reasons
1) these deals are signing guys who look like they may be good but will probably be at least okay to term in the 4 million range. Provorov signed in the 6s. That's already in the higher range
2) as above he already was a top pairing dman. He was playing 25 minutes a night. He has already earned his contract
3) he declined after signing. These deals are based off someone on the upswing where the risk is they don't continue improving. His is different
4) most importantly: what cautionary tale? In the end he was still plenty valuable and returned a good package. His contract didn't make him a negative value

Farabee. He is absolutely the cautionary tale. That being said the beauty of signing young guys to these contracts is there is a cheap out if needed. Now you're rebuilding so you don't. But his buyout is 1/3 instead of 2/3 for his age. Say you buy him out next year. Your have a 2.8 mil cap hit for 1 year, then 1.5 mil, then believe it or not you'd save 200k on the cap for 2 years, than 800k for a bunch of years. The reason it's worth the gamble is the risk is mitigated. That's not so terrible

Ghost is another good example. But also what the heck happened to him? His first year on the new contract was his best year. He had 65 points

Sanheim got bridged twice so he is definitely not an example
Jul. 10, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.
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Provorov still returned them a first. Ghost

Provorov isn't really an example of this for a few reasons
1) these deals are signing guys who look like they may be good but will probably be at least okay to term in the 4 million range. Provorov signed in the 6s. That's already in the higher range
2) as above he already was a top pairing dman. He was playing 25 minutes a night. He has already earned his contract
3) he declined after signing. These deals are based off someone on the upswing where the risk is they don't continue improving. His is different
4) most importantly: what cautionary tale? In the end he was still plenty valuable and returned a good package. His contract didn't make him a negative value

Farabee. He is absolutely the cautionary tale. That being said the beauty of signing young guys to these contracts is there is a cheap out if needed. Now you're rebuilding so you don't. But his buyout is 1/3 instead of 2/3 for his age. Say you buy him out next year. Your have a 2.8 mil cap hit for 1 year, then 1.5 mil, then believe it or not you'd save 200k on the cap for 2 years, than 800k for a bunch of years. The reason it's worth the gamble is the risk is mitigated. That's not so terrible

Ghost is another good example. But also what the heck happened to him? His first year on the new contract was his best year. He had 65 points

Sanheim got bridged twice so he is definitely not an example


Sanheim is an example because if they went 8 years on him (starting 19-20) at like 5.5M, they'd still have 3 years of him not being worth the contract. Provorov is another example because if they bridged him they could have gotten him for cheaper. Terrible 2020-21 and they would have figured out that he needs a suitable RHD to make him anywhere close to a top-pair defensemen. Just because he was getting minutes doesn't mean he was up to that caliber of play. Ghost couldn't do anything in the defensive zone and just collapsed.
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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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Edited Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:28 a.m.
Quoting: Elmo21
Flyers future on the back end looks bright with York, Bonk, Grans, Andrae, Attard.

I feel like we already heard this with Sanheim, Provorov, Myers and Ghost not too long ago.
Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:23 a.m.
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Even as a bridge, I’m kind of amazed he took an AAV that low.
 
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