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Created by: PenGoater99

Team: 2023-24 Custom Team

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 11, 2023

Published: Jul. 11, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Largely based on past 3 seasons.

A few notes before you cry that I left someone from your team off this list.

1. LD is arguably the strongest position in the league right now. Names such as Dahlin, Q Hughes, and Theodore just missed the cut, but they are top 10.

2. Ovechkin and Panarin are barely top 10 at LW (Ovechkin isn't period), Connor, Debrincat, Stamkos, B Tkachuk, etc etc are not nearly as dynamic offensively to be placed on this list.

3. Oiler fans will want my head on a stake for excluding Draisaitl, but the simple fact of the matter is that he is genuinely awful defensively and he does not drive play nearly as well as he needs to make up for it. Everyone at the C position here is better offensively (no, I don't care about points) and far better defensively, even though some may be slightly negative defensively.

4. Yes, Verhaeghe, Bratt, Meier, Weegar, Sprugeon, and Chabot are THAT good.

5. Sorokin is literally the only reason the Islanders are a decent team. Replace him with an average goalie and the Isles are a borderline lottery team. The goalie position in general is also very strong right now. Demko, Ullmark, and Oettinger just missed the cut.

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
30	$83,500,000	$247,899,251	$0	$0	-$164,399,251

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Robertson, Jason $7,750,000$7,750,000 LW, RW RFA - 3	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Tkachuk, Matthew $9,500,000$9,500,000 RW NMC UFA - 7
Meier, Timo $8,800,000$8,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C NMC UFA - 1	Kucherov, Nikita $9,500,000$9,500,000 RW NMC UFA - 4
Gaudreau, Johnny $9,750,000$9,750,000 LW NMC UFA - 6	MacKinnon, Nathan $12,600,000$12,600,000 C NMC UFA - 8	Pastrnak, David $11,250,000$11,250,000 RW NMC UFA - 8
Kaprizov, Kirill $9,000,000$9,000,000 LW UFA - 3	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Bratt, Jesper $7,875,000$7,875,000 RW, LW UFA - 8
Verhaeghe, Carter $4,166,667$4,166,667 LW UFA - 2	Hughes, Jack $8,000,000$8,000,000 C UFA - 7	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C M-NTC UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Josi, Roman $9,059,000$9,059,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Fox, Adam $9,500,000$9,500,000 RD UFA - 6	Sorokin, Ilya $4,000,000$4,000,000 G UFA - 1
Toews, Devon $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD UFA - 1	Makar, Cale $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD UFA - 4	Shesterkin, Igor $5,666,667$5,666,667 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Weegar, MacKenzie $6,250,000$6,250,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 8	McAvoy, Charlie $9,500,000$9,500,000 RD UFA - 7	Saros, Juuse $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 2
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 5	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Hellebuyck, Connor $6,166,667$6,166,667 G NMC UFA - 1
Slavin, Jaccob $5,300,000$5,300,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Spurgeon, Jared $7,575,000$7,575,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Vasilevskiy, Andrei $9,500,000$9,500,000 G NMC UFA - 5

Jul. 11, 2023 at 8:56 p.m.

seanrushton

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Slavin is better than all of those LD with the exception of Josi

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 8:56 p.m.

earl08

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Cale Makar skates circles around every one of those "defensemen"

Jul. 11, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.

NARC311

NHL Insider

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Ovi is the best winger in the league pal

Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:01 p.m.

FartButtIII

FartButt the 3rd

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Angry anger

Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:05 p.m.

mv21227

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Chabot and Weegar over Hughes and Dahlin is extremely questionable

Also Marner is definitely a top 5 RW over Bratt

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:07 p.m.

Juiceman

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Having Chabot there and not Hughes or Dahlin is ROUGH. Even Theodore is better. Chabot is not as good as any of them and it isn’t particularly close at this point. I’d say Weegar is below them all as well. Also you saying Draisaitl doesn’t drive play enough is genuinely baffling. Like you didn’t even do your research. Come on now

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:08 p.m.

Just_A_Guess

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JOSH ANDERSON

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:09 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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Good list.

I love me my Jesper Bratt. He is definitely one of the most exciting to players to watch when he is on. But Mitch Marner is the better player.

Pettersson has probably passed Crosby. His all around game is underrated.

Spurgeon has probably fallen out of the top-10

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.

Trevor31lv

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I see Verhaeghe respect and will therefore ignore all disagreements I have. W

Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.

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IconicHawk

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So you slander Draisital for having a bad defensive game and yet you put Jack ****ing Hughes above him 🤦

Seriously how many drugs were you on to get you to say “Yeah this is totally a good idea”

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:23 p.m.

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NHLfan10506

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Quoting: IconicHawk

Hughes is actually solid defensively in open ice. Is usually among league leaders in takeaways. And when other team never gets puck, they score less.

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:25 p.m.

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drambui

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apparently you can win the art ross for most points without ''driving play'' . most of drai's assist are primary assist too (by a HUGE margin)

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:28 p.m.

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drambui

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Hughes is actually solid defensively in open ice. Is usually among league leaders in takeaways. And when other team never gets puck, they score less.

i wont say they are bad, but lets say you cant justify drai not being there while arguing about defense and put Hughes there.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.

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NHLfan10506

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Quoting: drambui

i wont say they are bad, but lets say you cant justify drai not being there while arguing about defense and put Hughes there.

Or put Bratt above Marner and Stone while arguing about the defense. I get it.

I was just saying that Hughes isn’t bad defensively. Skates so well, his open ice defense is great. Not winning many board battles of faceoffs though.

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Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:50 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: NARC311

Ovi is the best winger in the league pal

Not on this planet he aint

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:50 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: mv21227

Chabot and Weegar over Hughes and Dahlin is extremely questionable

Also Marner is definitely a top 5 RW over Bratt

Read the description.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:52 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: Juiceman

Chabot is a dynamic offensive talent, and not even bad defensively. Overall, he is better than all three of those guys.

Draisaitl does not contribute to offense nearly as much as you think he does.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:53 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: drambui

apparently you can win the art ross for most points without ''driving play'' . most of drai's assist are primary assist too (by a HUGE margin)

Best passer in the game and one of the best goal scorers... "all these guys are better offensively" lol. Something tells me this guy doesn't know much about hockey.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:53 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Bratt's pure offensive ability puts him above Marner and Stone and at the same time, he's not a liability defensively. His offensive ability is that much better than Marner and Stone's to warrant him being better than them.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:54 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: CD282

Best passe in the game and one of the best goal scorers... "all these guys are better offensively" lol. Something tells me this guy doesn't know much about hockey.

If you actually look at his possession metrics, they're not close to any one of the 5 C's I have listed. And I can guarantee you I have forgotten more about hockey than you will ever dream of knowing.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:54 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: seanrushton

Slavin is better than all of those LD with the exception of Josi

Josi is a defenseman? Who knew?!

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:55 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: drambui

i wont say they are bad, but lets say you cant justify drai not being there while arguing about defense and put Hughes there.

Hughes is not bad defensively lmao. Draisaitl on the other hand is routinely one of the worst defensive players in the league.

And Hughes contributes more offensively.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:56 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

JOSH ANDERSON

This is not a list of the bottom 5 players at each position.

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:56 p.m.

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CD282

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Quoting: PenGoater99

You don't won or lose games on possession. Draisaitl has outperformed possession metrics his whole career.

Three time 50+50 player (best of all current players) and you think he's not good offensively?

Jul. 11, 2023 at 10:57 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I cannot disagree more RE: Spurgeon. He's not flashy and that's why he falls under the radar. He's been so criminally overlooked because he doesn't score points or play for a fast-paced skilled team.

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