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Starting the rebuild for the Flames

Created by: Maximus_Domi
Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 13, 2023
Published: Sep. 13, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Some crazy trades here. Tried to help everyone! Don’t be too harsh 😂
Trades
1.
2.
CGY
  1. Evangelista, Luke
  2. Pärssinen, Juuso
  3. 2024 1st round pick (NSH)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (TBL)
NSH
  1. Huberdeau, Jonathan ($5,250,000 retained)
3.
CGY
  1. Raymond, Lucas
  2. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
4.
CGY
  1. Beecher, John
  2. Frederic, Trent
  3. Geekie, Morgan
  4. 2025 1st round pick (BOS)
  5. 2026 2nd round pick (BOS)
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6.
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
25$83,500,000$58,891,547$0$6,552,500$24,608,453
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$412,500$412K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$762,500$762,500
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$850,833$850,833 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$797,500$797,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$825,000$825,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,285,714$4,285,714
LD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$1,125,000$1,125,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$856,667$856,667
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1

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Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:37 p.m.
#26
Tank it baby
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Quoting: BUF10
He has been in Detroit. On free agency day.


He got Cat for a tuna sandwich.
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Yeah, but man when he does do Detroit its brutal. Dude offered a 2nd AND Ammo to get rid of Chiarot


My favorite would be when every draft pick was used, Ammo, Edvinsson, Raymond, Danielson, Kasper, etc all shipped out, zero cap space to re-sign Seider and Ras lol
Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: DDossett
I'd like to point out too that although this is a rebuild the resulting team is as horrible as the trades. Take it from a sabres fan a tank needs a recovery plan and your not only aquiring players unrealisticly but your ruinning a lot of young talent here.
You should delete this and watch some hockey games, read a few articles, maybe look over a couple of rosters and see how long term out-look works. The issues here are so much deeper than the absurd trades.


they'd have 9 1sts in the next three years, three promising young forwards (four if you count Krebs), 7 ELCS, and three contracts that extend beyond three years. In terms of how this team looks, it'll be fine. Now, these returns themselves are extremely optimistic, but if for some reason they managed to even get half of this, they'd be golden in 3-4 years.
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: CoachCoach
My favorite would be when every draft pick was used, Ammo, Edvinsson, Raymond, Danielson, Kasper, etc all shipped out, zero cap space to re-sign Seider and Ras lol


He's been around here for so long im not sure he's baiting anymore.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
He's been around here for so long im not sure he's baiting anymore.


Sadly I think you’re right.
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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Quoting: CoachCoach
Sadly I think you’re right.


I want to unblock him because it'd be fun seeing the egregiousity but I know I'll just end up disappointed considering people (of other teams) think the red wings offer is reasonable.
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
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Leafs going to Leafs
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Leafs don’t want to give up Niemela, Lilly and Brodie for marginal upgrade TBH
Sep. 13, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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Uh, what is going on here
Sep. 13, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
#34
Tank it baby
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Quoting: FlameFlameFruit
Uh, what is going on here


Sheer lunacy
Sep. 13, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Pensstatlines
Just no. Maybe on the leafs trade. Where to begin...

Sabres aren't trading Samuelsson or Krebs.

You overvalued Lindholm slightly. Make it a deadline deal with retention and maybe.

The Preds aren't in a position to trade away two firsts, much less for a fifty point player.

The Leafs don't want to give up Brodie, Niemela, or Jarnkrok.

On his own Raymond has almost double the value Mangiapane does. Adding a first is stupid.

If you're rebuilding, why would you trade two great prospects for a star prospect. IMO Cooley is only slightly better than Coronato, and you might as well keep him.


Cooley is the 2nd best player in the world yet to play an nhl game besides bedard
Sep. 13, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Cooley is the 2nd best player in the world yet to play an nhl game besides bedard


bro is literally saying this when Brady Cleveland exists?
Sep. 13, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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Very realistic that Calgary will retain $42,000,000 in salary. Good job.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.
#38
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What level of harshness can we be?? Because on a scale of 1 to 10, this ACGM post warrants a 25!!!
Sep. 13, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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Listen if you take that first out of the leafs trade they actually consider it
Sep. 13, 2023 at 4:20 p.m.
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Ignoring the cap, I'd do that deal if I was Sweeney
Sep. 13, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
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That is an easy big fat no from buffalo. Wow.
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.
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Quoting: BUF10
He has been in Detroit. On free agency day.


While I do not love some of his signings, he is bidding time to get some of his young talent time to mature. Ot on of his signings has hurt the team cap wise so he is slowly and methodically building a team to last for more than one years cup.run.
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.
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And there is zero chance he trades Raymond and a 1st for Mangipane. Let alone Raymond straight up.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.
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Realistically, I don't see the Bruins dropping anymore draft capital. They will likely just pick up a cheap rental at the deadline, and hopefully sign their 1C in free agency next season (projected over 20M in cap).
Sep. 14, 2023 at 7:01 a.m.
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Wow!!! I just wanted to feel what it was like to be Opera Winfrey for a day, “ you get a star, you get a star, hey you in the back, you get a star. Even that loud mouth Sabres fan in the back, ya you, you get a star!!!
Sep. 14, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
they'd have 9 1sts in the next three years, three promising young forwards (four if you count Krebs), 7 ELCS, and three contracts that extend beyond three years. In terms of how this team looks, it'll be fine. Now, these returns themselves are extremely optimistic, but if for some reason they managed to even get half of this, they'd be golden in 3-4 years.


...perhaps you missed the "as a sabres fan" part. I draw your attention to buffalo tanking for jack eichel and how they still managed to consistantly suck. Its a regular conversation how many x-sabres are having success. Also i draw attention to the oilers. Without McDavid (which generational talents in your draft are not a guarantee) they probably would still be competing with arizona. Good young talent and picks don't = wins. Theres still a lot of peices you need on a good team and in theory you'll have em with your picks but you'll be in a world where your constantly paying guys to stay one more year and choosing between signing a guy you've seen have moderate success or putting in a rookie with higher potential.
Then theres as you said. Those picks and trades arent realistic so thats not the team you'll get.
Now concider this is the problem you didntbget the return you hoped for or is this a bad plan for success because it might not even work if this ridiculous goes through. With all these assets moving around this team adds 0 proven nhl talent and is going to worry about leadership and development next year...cuz all you need is talent even though only 1 guy can shoot the puck at a time.
I also take the mental side of young talent facing adversity for the first time and having no one on the team to help them adapt. Leavingnthe coaching staff to handle that is a good way to end up ruining good talent.
End of the day, i wouldnt trust the gm that made this team to develope it as they haven't shown me there ability lead to success only to get stuff thst could.
Sep. 14, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
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Quoting: DDossett
...perhaps you missed the "as a sabres fan" part. I draw your attention to buffalo tanking for jack eichel and how they still managed to consistantly suck. Its a regular conversation how many x-sabres are having success. Also i draw attention to the oilers. Without McDavid (which generational talents in your draft are not a guarantee) they probably would still be competing with arizona. Good young talent and picks don't = wins. Theres still a lot of peices you need on a good team and in theory you'll have em with your picks but you'll be in a world where your constantly paying guys to stay one more year and choosing between signing a guy you've seen have moderate success or putting in a rookie with higher potential.
Then theres as you said. Those picks and trades arent realistic so thats not the team you'll get.
Now concider this is the problem you didntbget the return you hoped for or is this a bad plan for success because it might not even work if this ridiculous goes through. With all these assets moving around this team adds 0 proven nhl talent and is going to worry about leadership and development next year...cuz all you need is talent even though only 1 guy can shoot the puck at a time.
I also take the mental side of young talent facing adversity for the first time and having no one on the team to help them adapt. Leavingnthe coaching staff to handle that is a good way to end up ruining good talent.
End of the day, i wouldnt trust the gm that made this team to develope it as they haven't shown me there ability lead to success only to get stuff thst could.


Mfer they've got 9 god damn 1sts
 
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