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Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 19, 2023
Published: Sep. 19, 2023
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Free Agent Signings
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1$2,000,000
1$775,000
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  1. Jones, Max
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$80,999,880$0$1,850,000$2,500,120
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 5
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 7
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
RFA - 1
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$1,295,000$1,295,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$805,000$805,000
RD
RFA - 2

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Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:11 p.m.
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21 man roster with 120 bones in the bank is crazy
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:12 p.m.
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1. Pinto will sign for 2.5 million, per Elliotte Friedman

https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1699484058630193388



2. I'm down for the trade with Anaheim
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. Pinto will sign for 2.5 million, per Elliotte Friedman

https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1699484058630193388



2. I'm down for the trade with Anaheim


1 year 2 mil and 2 x 2.5 is literally the same thing. Yesr 1 he makes 2 mill and year 2 3 mill. But this deal allows him to make more than 3 mill next year
Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.
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Yeah this is still impossible when he signs a 1 x 2.5 which is what the reports say are the minimum he will sign for
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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Yeah this is still impossible when he signs a 1 x 2.5 which is what the reports say are the minimum he will sign for


Pretty sure the report says 2 x 2.5. A 1 year deal at 2 mill doesn’t sound unrealistic at all
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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21 man roster with 120 bones in the bank is crazy


cap strapped before a single playoff game tears of joy
Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Herb_Brooks
cap strapped before a single playoff game tears of joy


Playoff team this year
Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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Playoff team this year


feel like ive heard this before, all i'm gonna say is they better,
Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Herb_Brooks
feel like ive heard this before, all i'm gonna say is they better,


I just hope Chabot, Chychrun, Norris, Tarasenko don’t all get injured. Tired of injuries ruining our season and not having the depth to cover it
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.
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I just hope Chabot, Chychrun, Norris, Tarasenko don’t all get injured. Tired of injuries ruining our season and not having the depth to cover it


is this a subtle planting of the excuse flag?
Sep. 19, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Herb_Brooks
is this a subtle planting of the excuse flag?


Nope no excuses. Just hoping we don’t lose guys to season ending injuries
Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Ennis
21 man roster with 120 bones in the bank is crazy


For a 6th place in the atlantic team too
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
For a 6th place in the atlantic team too


Top 4 easy
Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
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Nah we’ll keep Jones in ANA
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.
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Nah we’ll keep Jones in ANA


He’s a good 4th liner but weird you say no when you get gifted an upgrade
Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.
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Pretty sure the report says 2 x 2.5. A 1 year deal at 2 mill doesn’t sound unrealistic at all


if the trade is this simple..why hasnt Dorion pulled the trade
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:16 p.m.
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Quoting: M0LSON
if the trade is this simple..why hasnt Dorion pulled the trade


Evaluating all his options
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
He’s a good 4th liner but weird you say no when you get gifted an upgrade


We aren’t competing. We’ll keep the young winger on a great contract with control after this season vs the expiring UFA. Not to mention we lack size up front and Jones is really the only player providing it. His play style is exactly what Verbeek wants

No argument on production upside, just not what’s needed rn in ANA

Edit: you’ll be hard pressed to find a knowledgeable ANA fan who thinks he tops out on the 4th line btw. He’s solid 3rd line quality, and would be great alongside Gaucher for a line that will really frustrate other teams in 2 years
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:20 p.m.
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We aren’t competing. We’ll keep the young winger on a great contract with control after this season vs the expiring UFA. Not to mention we lack size up front and Jones is really the only player providing it. His play style is exactly what Verbeek wants

No argument on production upside, just not what’s needed rn in ANA


Yeah fair. The Sens should def trade Kubalik for a cheaper decent 4th liner
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. Pinto will sign for 2.5 million, per Elliotte Friedman

https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1699484058630193388

"Friedman guesses he’s in the $2.5M range"

It doesn't seem based on insider info.

I have no idea why Pinto should earn 2.5 AAV on a 1 year bridge when Morgan Frost makes 2.1 on a 2 years, Harvey-Pinard makes 1.1 on a 2 years, Noah Cates makes 2.6 on a 2 years, etc.

Pinto might end up the best among them but as of now... makes no sense... and he has zero leverage

Quoting: M0LSON
if the trade is this simple..why hasnt Dorion pulled the trade

Why did Brady Tkachuk miss training camp 2 years ago? Negotiations are not simple and Dorion seems like a huge procrastinator too lol
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
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Ill take a crack at this

Kubalik , Brannstrom , Sokolov for McGinn 50% retained + 3rd ( 1.375 AAV )

Tough getting rid of Brannstrom since he has improved but he does not project to be top 4 in the foreseeable future

Pinto signs 2.2 two year

22 man roster @ 83.356 ( includes dead cap )

Tarasenko-Stutzle-Tkachuk
Batherson-Norris-Giroux
Joseph- Pinto-McGinn
Greig -Kastelic-MacEwen
Parker or Crookshank or Jarventie whoever earns it gets the 13th man slot

Chabor-Chychrun
Sanderson-Zub
Kleven- Hamonic
JBD

Korpisalo/ Forsberg
Sep. 19, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Fergy22
Ill take a crack at this

Kubalik , Brannstrom , Sokolov for McGinn 50% retained + 3rd ( 1.375 AAV )

Tough getting rid of Brannstrom since he has improved but he does not project to be top 4 in the foreseeable future

Pinto signs 2.2 two year

22 man roster 83.356 ( includes dead cap )

Tarasenko-Stutzle-Tkachuk
Batherson-Norris-Giroux
Joseph- Pinto-McGinn
Greig -Kastelic-MacEwen
Parker or Crookshank or Jarventie whoever earns it gets the 13th man slot

Chabor-Chychrun
Sanderson-Zub
Kleven- Hamonic
JBD

Korpisalo/ Forsberg


You made the D and offence worse. Only 1 or Kubalik, Brannstrom or Joseph should be traded
Sep. 19, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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Thinking Ottawa has enough offence , a 22 man roster will come in handy
Sep. 19, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Fergy22
Ill take a crack at this

Kubalik , Brannstrom , Sokolov for McGinn 50% retained + 3rd ( 1.375 AAV )

Tough getting rid of Brannstrom since he has improved but he does not project to be top 4 in the foreseeable future

Pinto signs 2.2 two year

22 man roster 83.356 ( includes dead cap )

Tarasenko-Stutzle-Tkachuk
Batherson-Norris-Giroux
Joseph- Pinto-McGinn
Greig -Kastelic-MacEwen
Parker or Crookshank or Jarventie whoever earns it gets the 13th man slot

Chabor-Chychrun
Sanderson-Zub
Kleven- Hamonic
JBD

Korpisalo/ Forsberg

Just do Kubalik + Sokolov for 3rd

Trade Brannstrom for a good forward prospect if the deal is there. If not, wait a little. Kleven can start in the AHL

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Tarasenko
Joseph - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
xxxxxxx - Kastelic - MacEwen

xxxxxxx : Crookshank, Smejkal or Kelly

That top-9 can be run equally, less importance on the 4th line
Sep. 19, 2023 at 7:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Xspyrit
Just do Kubalik + Sokolov for 3rd

Trade Brannstrom for a good forward prospect if the deal is there. If not, wait a little. Kleven can start in the AHL

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Tarasenko
Joseph - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
xxxxxxx - Kastelic - MacEwen

xxxxxxx : Crookshank, Smejkal or Kelly

That top-9 can be run equally, less importance on the 4th line


Im good with this but are you running a 22 or 21 man roster?

Kubalik should get a 3rd by himself, sucks to let Sokolov go for free , but it is what it is. GMs know Dorion is in a bind.
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