Seth jones is literally the worst contract in the league why would the leafs do this???

Colorado don't have the capspace to take on Jarnkrok. Toronto probably wouldn't get positive value for him right now either given how little cap room there is around the league.

Why would the leafs trade away a 40 goal scorer for the worst contract in the leauge when they already need cap space?

I hope this a troll post.

This is so bad

You know it's a bad trade when non-leafs fans call a toronto trade bad.

Sure why not

If we’re trading for Nylander just to trade him again, then what’s the point of trading for him?

Chicago is not doing that. We'll take willy in UFA next year though

No way the Leafs are making this deal either.

Personally I would pass on Nylander; there is no questioning his talent but as I have said before I have watched both his father and brother in Chicago and just like them, don’t think the give a s**t meter is always set on high. Once he signs a long-term guaranteed contract that very well could become an annual concern.

Yeah don't think this makes sense from either side. Personally it doesn't really matter for the hawks short term that Jones is overpaid because we're bad now and the cap is set to explode so long term that contract won't look bad at all. Jones is still a #1 D regardless and will be in his prime still when this hawks team is ready to compete

That Jones contract is a tough pill to swallow. You also have 6 players making near league minimum and can barely ice a 20 person roster (with Timmins on LTIR for some reason).

What happens next season when Matthews’ new contract hits and like half your roster is due a pay raise?

Timmins is on LTIR because he has a long term injury (the only reason), do your homework before making a smarmy reply. 3 of our top 4 defensemen in McCabe, Jones and Rielly would be returning, with 9.15 mil coming off the books with the departure of Brodie and Klingberg.

Resigning Raddysh at 3 mil would be generous given his past production, but let's go with that for the sake of this argument. Domi and Bertuzzi leaving gives us an additional 8.5 mil in cap, with Knies already showing top 6 potential that would allow him to replace at least one of them with his ELC contract.

Robertson and Cowan are on the fringes of making this team already, so let's assume one of them takes a role next year. Let's add 2 mil for Robertson. If Gregor were to walk, that's 775,000. If Lafferty walks, that's 1.1 mil. Matthews' raise is less than 1.7 mil, maybe Sammy gets 5mil which is another $1.5.

One of Domi or Bertuzzi walks - Bertuzzi I assume, because Domi has made it obvious he wants to be here. So, let's add another $4.5 mil for Domi, probably more than he'll realistically get. Timmins should be able to step in for Klingberg, especially given the overall improvement of our Top 4. Let's add another $1.1 for Timmins.

So,

Money out after this season - Brodie (5 mil) + Klingerberg (4.125 mil) + Matthews (11.634 mil) + Bertuzzi (5.5 mil) + Domi (3 mil) + Seeler (775k) + Gregor (775k) + Lafferty (1.15 mil) + Samsonov ($3.55 mil) = $35.509 mil

Money in for next season - Matthews (13.25 mil) + Domi (4.5 mil) + Robertson (2 mil) + Samsonov (5 mil) + Raddysh (3 mil) = 27.75 mil

So, even if the cap weren't to go up at all (unlikely as we all know), we'd have $7.76 mil to fill out a roster of:

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Tavares - Raddysh
Robertson - Minten - TBD
TBD - Kampf - Reaves

Rielly - Jones
McCabe - Timmins
TBD -TBD

Leaving us with at least 7.75 mil to find a 3RW, 4LW, 5D and 6D. More realistically, the cap goes up by $3 mil and we have 10.775 mil to fill those roles. From there you'll have to use your imagination I guess.

As for Colorado, they could still ice a 21 man roster with Jankrok by waiving some combination of players Jarnkrok is clearly better than.


TLDR: One of us actually thought about this, the other did not.

It would be a 3 way trade, does the amount of effort play any factor here it all? If it does, I'd be concerned about the work ethic of the Hawks GM (which, I'm not).

He will be in his prime when you guys are ready to compete? You're either misinformed or hopelessly optimistic, to say the least.

He’s 28. He will still be in his prime 3-4 years from now when the hawks are ready to compete

Removing the bulk of that really long reply for the sake of length. First I’ll focus on your rude response to honestly a pretty benign comment, then we can talk the Leafs.

Timmins is injured. He’s not on LTIR. The only thing that’s been reported is an MRI on his knee. As soon as he returns from his injury (whether that be a week or 4 months), this team is no longer cap compliant. It’s not me “not doing my homework”, it’s you jumping to conclusions. Maybe he goes on LTIR in the future, but he’s not there today. You are both wrong and a jackass in this reply.

Second point: you’re jumping to conclusions based on my pretty benign comment that adding Jones, an overpaid player, gives you a top heavy team with very little flexibility. You have a 20 man roster with 6 guys making near league minimum. If any of your players gets injured for a week or two, you’re not able to run a full roster. You can’t call up anyone unless their injuries happen to be long term and you use LTIR. As others have commented in this thread, your ACGM is bad. You can be snarky with your TL;DR, but there seems to be a bit of a consensus here lmao.

Now to the actual math: you made a bunch of conjectures about a bunch of players making minimum salaries now and what they’d get in the future. If guys like Raddysh and Domi have successful years in a top 6, they’re getting bigger raises than you’ve outlined. If they have bad seasons where they aren’t true top 6 guys, you’ve basically handcuffed yourself here to a bad team without flexibility. Same goes for Samsonov as a true #1. You put yourself in a really tough spot by acquiring a really expensive contract.

I’m happy to keep talking hockey here, but I’d like to request that you make an effort to be less of a dickwad in your next reply. Thanks!

Nah buddy, I'm the one making reasonable estimations based on precedent and you're throwing **** at the wall hoping something sticks. Even if those scenarios play out like you assume, we'd still have more than enough room after addressing the most important pieces of our roster. Consensuses led to Trump and Biden, that doesn't mean **** lol.

I’m throwing **** at the wall? Never knew saying that adding the 4th most expensive defenseman in the league makes the cap harder and that Conor Timmins isn’t on LTIR for the season would be so controversial lmao.

I don’t think continuing this conversation is the best way for me to get my first Capfriendly infraction points lol. Have a nice day.