the value is there but i’d much rather trade a first then lily

Sharks likely pass, 2 replacement level or Bellow 30 something’s, a D who hasn’t played in what 17 months.
Those 3 have no value, Dubé for Duclair straight up is likely a bad deal for the sharks let alone losing their final retention slot to do this.

Only want Lily or no deal. A late 1st isn’t appealing to CGY


Dube’s a 25 Year Old RFA, he’s more valuable than UFA Duclair

I actually don’t need the retention, so you can take that out, but in order to do this, we need Kylington off our books and I’d like to swap Rooney & Carpenter at the same time, which shouldn’t be an issue but if it is, that that out too

To sum it up, CGY definitely needs more than just Duclair coming back for Dube. Don’t know much about Young. He seems undersized and whip knows whether SJ signs him. Just picked him since he’s originally from Calgary and figured SJ wanted to retain their picks

tough luck cause that’s all you’re getting

Fair trades for all involved. Of course fans of other teams are going to insist their players are so much better and try to fleece you. Probably one player/prospect too many coming from Columbus though. The Jackets would likely balk at including Johnson or maybe Sillinger, if they won't include either then it isn't worth doing for Calgary. I dunno if they'd trade Martin for the higher paid Vladar either.

Jackets certainly pass at that cost. The honor of overpaying for Lindholm's decline is not worth KJ alone, never mind adding in 2 more roster players and another potential future roster player.

Yup, it’s just like fishing… Wait for them to bite and then the fight is on lol

Tough luck for you because you won't be getting Tanev for a late 1st. We can easily get more than that at the trade deadline.

Then again if you take Kadri back and add Nylander we might let you have Tanev at 50% retained for a late 1st maybe even for a 2nd. Heck if Willy comes with an 8 year extension at a decent AAV we might even throw in Tanev for free.

strongly debatable

i’ve seen him going for a 2nd with no retention the only thing that makes him worth the first is the retention

You gotta give to get. The only really valuable piece there is KJ. Who would you offer instead, your 2024-1st RD Pick or Jiricek!?

Fantilli makes Sillinger expendable, CLB’s already looking to dump these 2 Defensemen to make room for their up & comers

In order to make the deal work, we swap Vladar for Martin, since we’ll need a replacement for Vladar (or Wolf, if/when he gets called up). I threw in a LW Prospect to even it out, but you have a ton of other Prospects & Roster Players to replace KJ with

CLB could use a 1C now and reuniting Gaudreau with Lindholm seems like the smart thing to do

To summarize, take the present over the questionable futures that you already have arguably better prospects waiting in the wings to replace anyways

Canucks thank you for taking all their deadwood.
VAN (poverty franchise #1) just replaced them w/ more incompetent deadwood.

Dube>Duclair and that last retention slot don’t matter at the deadline when Duclair is expiring

And I've seen proposals with Lilly going for a late 2nd or worse too. That doesn't mean it's going to happen, it's just an unrealistic lowball proposal.

I simply wouldn't make an offer for Lindholm. He's not needed with Laine, Fantilli, KJ, Boone, Sillinger, Texier, Kuraly, and Danforth all capable of playing center. Things are going just fine and there's no need to trade valuable futures for a player who is going to be 32 or 33 and making $8.5M+ just as their window of competition is really opening.

The vast majority of Trades with Tanev going to TOR include either a 1st or Liljegren

I understand and appreciate where your coming from. I guess it comes down to how long of a window CLB has, given Gaudreau, Jenner, Kuraly, Severson, Gudbranson and Merzlikins are all getting up there in age themselves and a move like this could make CLB an instant playoff team and soon to be contender

Laine, Texier & KJ aren’t really Centres. Jenner’s good, but not on the Lindholm’s level and Fantilli and Sillinger need time to develop… so you can certainly throw them in to play that position, but none of them are really 1st line players and other than maybe Jenner, none of them are Top-6 qualified (yet anyways)

Whether or not you believe the Jackets currently have a 1C, there's zero pressure to trade this much of their future right now to get one as old as Lindholm is. The team's window doesn't open for 3 or 4 more years and has nothing to do with Kuraly or Gudbranson and involves Gaudreau, Severson, and Boone (if he's extended) in reduced roles compared to what they're contributing today.

The team's future revolves around Fantilli (19), Kj (21), Sillinger (20), Jiricek (19), Mateychuk (19), Svozil (20), Marchenko (23), Werenski (26), Laine (25) and hopefully it will get support from Dumais (19), Voronkov (23), Malatesta (20), Ceulemans (20), Texier (24), Chinakhov (22), Brindley (19), Ivanov (19) and 13 more decent options the team has in the 18-21 year old range.

Dubé is not better than Duclair and if he was this would not have Ben posted.
Like I said 3 guys who are less than worthless in a trade and 3rd line player even on the sharks for a guy who has 30 goal potential 1
50% retained isn’t smart deal for the sharks.
If the sharks use their retention it will be for a better pick.

Okay, but let’s not pretend like Lindholm is Ancient. It’s nowhere similar to Treliving Signing Kadri, it’s more like the signing of Gaudreau

In any event, I 100% understand you don’t want Lindholm

That's really the difference. I'd be happy with the Jackets *signing* Lindholm absolutely, just like I was fine with them signing Gaudreau. Trading the kind of package it seems Calgary would want for him though is just not smart considering those younger players fit their future far better.

Jackets decline. If they go after lindholm (which I doubt) they would just wait for free agency. Wouldn’t trade Kent Johnson for him one for one

The consistent mismatch between outside fans and Columbus fans (and even Columbus fans vs. Columbus fans often) is what they view as the core. I'm with @dk325 where I think the core is Fantilli, KJ, Sillinger, Jiricek, Mateychuk, etc., and I view players like Gaudreau, Severson, and Jenner as a transitionary core to help the young guys develop, and players like Gudbranson and Kuraly as placeholders; their type is what a competing team needs/wants, but their timeline doesn't match (3-4 years from now and beyond).

A lot of outside fans look at Jarmo's recent moves as "this team is going for it", and expect CBJ to load up more. I look at it like he's trying to field a competitive team by filling obvious holes from last season in order to keep his job. Even if we do load up, this team finished 2nd-last in the league last season. We're not a Lindholm away from making noise in the playoffs.

The goal shouldn't be to marry the two cores as much as possible, and aim for a competition window from 2025ish to 2028ish; the goal should be to develop a core around Fantilli, KJ, etc that can compete for a decade plus. The Gaudreau/Jenner core isn't winning a Cup, but they could still be around when the young core is mature enough to be competitive. So why jettison the future to chase an impossible dream? Especially when players like Lindholm may still be available on July 1st? That's the way I look at it.

There you go, in the meantime if Lindholm won’t extend with Calgary, we’re not letting another Johnny Gaudreau situation happen, so will look to Trade him for Young Assets

Perhaps this happens closer too or at the Trade Deadline, but he’ll be moved for assets if he doesn’t re-sign and it won’t be the Flames letting him walk to Free Agency

The problem is that there isn't a window right now. Even next year would be a bit optimistic. Lindholm doesn't get them over that hump cause they just simply aren't close enough as things are.

The thing I don't understand though is in a previous comment saying Fantilli makes Sillinger expendable, yet they're trading all this for center help. Jury is out on Sillinger, but he's looking better so far at the least. Between he, KJ, and Boone I think you have your middle 6 centers and 2nd/3rd line LW (depending if KJ is gonna play C or now). Fantilli may not be ready to be a 1C yet, but they don't need him to be. They need that in 2 years so it really doesn't matter they dont have that rn if he develops.

I don't mind targeting Lindholm to play on the top line till Fantilli is ready and 2nd line after, but the issue is there's no reason to do it at the deadline when they can wait 5 months and target him in FA. Yeah, maybe it gives you a better chance, but that chance isn't worth losing Johnson, Sillinger, and Ceulemans.

The way I see it, this team's window opens in 25-26 at the earliest, but most likely a year after that. If you want to argue that Jarmo could make a shorter term move to maintain his job, I think that's reasonable, but that would be the only logical reason for CBJ to make a trade of this nature.

Obviously fans can't know the situation, but given the way Jarmo's talked about the rebuild the past few years and then general hands off nature of CBJ ownership, I'd think it's likely that he's got a good amount of security to see this out till a lot of the recent top prospects are established in the league. You never know though.