Edited Nov. 22, 2023 at 10:33 a.m.
Quoting: westleysnipez
What conversion chart are you using? Dobbers' conversion system shows Podkolzin's AHL numbers to be at a 35-point pace in the NHL this season, which would have been good enough for 7th among Penguins forwards last season. Guess half your team is fringe NHLers then. Sorry about that. Also, look at his advanced stats in the NHL. Positive Corsi 5v5 as a 20 y/o, 21 y/o on a team that was in the basement. You don't get those numbers without having a strong two-way game. Podkolzin is worth more than you give him credit for. Saying he's worth more than a fringe defenseman who has aged out as being a prospect isn't overvaluing him. You're overvaluing your own players.
Also — no serious conversations? My guy, the Canucks and Penguins were having "heated discussions", and Sullivan was weighing his input on the potential trade. Let me ask you, if there wasn't any serious conversation happening, why would Hextall ask the coach his opinion on a potential trade? Why would Zucker's name be so synonymous with the potential Miller trade? If it's at the point where they have the names of players down and are asking coaching staff for their opinions, that is not the first phone call, it is the ninth or tenth in a series of discussions. Why would it go down to the 11th hour before the Penguins decided another route? Why was it being reported by every insider between Pittsburgh and Vancouver, by Friedman, LeBrun, Johnston, etc? C'mon man, the only person you're lying to is yourself.
Again, you have an issue with reading comprehension and you've made that perfectly clear. I'm not really sure how else to explain this, but I'll try one more time and then I'm done, because you clearly have some issues...
Leading up to the final minutes of the deadline, yes, every outlet was reporting all this crazy stuff with Miller or Boeser to the Pens. Everything from us sending POJ to Pettersson, etc... When the dust settled, it was reported that was completely overblown by the hockey guys. As the article clearly stated, they FLIRTED with the idea of bringing in Miller. It was widely reported that there were in-fact no real serious discussions sending Miller to the Pens. Read that carefully... "serious discussion." That doesn't mean there were none, but there were no discussions that were close to real things happening. Just inquiries/light discussions. It was reported by both GMs to the media that nothing was ever close. I'm really not sure how many other ways to make that clear to you.
As far as Podzlokin. He put up 18 points in 28 games last year in the AHL. That's not good. The indicator for NHL success in the AHL is right around a point-per-game or better at the AHL level. Is that 100%? Of course not, nothing is, but the proof from that specific stat has been quite dead on. He's off to a better start this year, but it's 8 games in.
Also I never said that POJ is worth more than Podzlokin. I really wish you read these things. I feel like you just want to argue and hear yourself speak. I said that the deal isn't that lopsided in our favor. I said if Podzlokin is valued higher, it's marginal due to the simple fact he's an unknown asset at this point. Again, I simply said that value-wise, this deal isn't that lopsided and I'm sticking to that because it's not. You're trying to act like Podzloskin is this hot top prospect and he's not. He's a mid-level prospect, that's it.
Because again, if you read, I said this deal doesn't make sense for either club, which we actually both agree on, but you just want to argue about the rationale because you feel slighted for some reason. Get over it.