This is a legit agm you are the ones getting all mad while I've explained and shown the benefits for both teams but won't accept even though 5.5m in cap for 2 years while giving younger players more ice time is seen as nothing compared to a 20-32 1st next year that would be making an impact likely in 2029 and no guarantee to even make the nhl.

Then, Hughes just has to say he will keep him or that he believe he has positive value. It’s not hard and definitely not worth paying a first. He is a good player normally

He has 2 points in 21 games while pp 1. If he's not succeeding with 17 minutes in ice time how is reducing his ice time going to make him better. He is a dump to 31/32 teams now and likely won't change much for the better. Paying the price now rather than wait and hope is just easier and could even try trading schmidt right away as well. The pick is likely 2025 20-32 via panthers so equivalent to that is kinda mesar so right now would you trade mesar (ik he wouldn't with the connection to slav but for simplicity) with Anderson for FC?

Mtl aren’t exiting rebuild. Forget about trading away first round pick. MTL have many good pieces but they lack that elite forward that will make them a competitive team year after year. They have plenty of cap space for the upcoming 4-5 seasons. All the entry level deal and upcoming prospect who will be on those deal. There no need to pag to clear cap space. Until MTL get that high end talent up front they will continue building with young players and not by overpaying players on july 1st.

can you tell us how many 3rd pass did he get this season?

Logically your argument makes no sense.

You mention that he is taking ice time away from Ylonen which outside the pp isn't really the case, but then Schmidt would be doing the same to Xhekaj, Harris, Norlinder and Struble this season on top of possibly Engstrom and Hutson next season. This isn't exactly much of an improvement to the ice time situation if at all.

The worst part though is saying that the price to "dump" him would increase when logically the inverse should be true. As the cap rises and his term diminishes the price to dump said contract also should lower (moving a problem contract with 1 or 2 years to run is cheaper than the same with 4). Besides, with his power-forward style of play it isn't impossible that Anderson (and Gallagher for that matter) winds up LTIRetired before his contract can even become a burden to the team (ie. Price and Weber situations).

Anderson currently isn't problematic for MTL's cap situation and doesn't project to be so next season either, so why pay to solve a problem you don't have now and aren't even sure to have in the future?

Montreal is not in a hurry to trade him. You seem to be more in a hurry to make that trade though.

First of all, do you even know hockey? If you did, you would know what a lethargy is and how a regular 20+ goals scorer having 0 goals is abnormal. He is a dump, but if he wait, he will be a small one or even positive value. Selling low is dumb. The pick will be pretty high since it’s pretty likely the panthers won’t be able to comete in the atlantic next year. And no, I wouldn’t trade our top forward prospect to dump a player when we have (and will have) a lot of money

this is your opinion but a biaised one. We do not need to hurry our cap management we are doing fine without you !!

The guy can skate. The guy can hit. The guy can screen. The guy can shoot. The guy can deflect.

But-the-guy-just-can't-finish-this-year. How many breakaways did he have in 20 games, and he played with intensity.

The more he's scoreless, the less he scores. This is called a slump, not negative value.

So we'll wait. As simple as that.

Who cares what any one of us think. Its all just amateur opinion and putting it in an AGM doesn't make it any more realistic or not.

Only important thing to know is would Kent Hughes do this? Clearly not. A rebuilding team that isn't contending within the years Anderson has left, isn't about to move picks out for cap space and a roster spot.

The worst part about this OP, Im not entirely sure the value is necessarily off but your justification is paradoxical. If Anderson is such a terrible player that a 1st needs to be tacked on to him, Winnipeg should have no interest in him either. You can't have it both ways.

Schmidt could be a healthy scratch or see if he can be traded but 2 years compared to 4 is massive as cap is king in the nhl.

For the cap dump cost. Right now he has 2 points in 21 games. What if next year he's worse, gets injured, etc. The cost to trade a 2 point in 21 game player is less than a 5.5m with 10 points in 42 ahl games. Remember physical players like Anderson are walking time bombs which they can fall off a cliff at any moment based on his style of play. You can remove him allow Ylonen 18 minutes a night and maybe he becomes an even better lehkonen but mtl would never know without trading Anderson. Look at Gallagher for the contract like you mentioned ltir but look at Gallagher now he sure is playing okay but on a contending mtl team do you want him being paying 6m plus 100% no. No guarantee they are ltir retired but just end up like a Louie eriksson who made 6m and wasn't injured but wasn't nhl caliber.

Mtl should be exploring to trade Anderson before they can't or have to pay more than this. Let's say for simplicity it's pick 24 in 2025. Getting rid of Anderson for a guy at pick 24 that has no guarantee to make the nhl let alone make an impact. 1st rounders are so overvalued when it comes to later 20s picks but since 1st is attached to them they get inflated

could you erase that AGM please ... since every other fan based insult Anderson none should be taking the word Cap-Dump ever again as a basis of an AGM (we're talking about human being geez)

Exactly. So send us your overvalued 1st round pick and we'll send you Anderson. Problem solved.

there ya go!

Winnipeg needs another forward come playoffs as having kupari on the team is a little sketchy. Jets are also one of the only teams that can afford Anderson for the contract that is a contender. So the jets make an upgrade of player but is on a terrible contract and get a pick that can be used to trade for a legit top 4 dman.

Mtl getting cap space for better players via FA and allowing for players like Ylonen and Roy to have ice time will be ideal. Ylonen could boom with the opportunity but with Anderson there the potential is being wasted while Anderson makes 8m this year for 2 assists and actively making his line mates worse

I used the word cap dump for schmidt as well its more a term not any disrespect to the players, they have lives and obviously want to provide for family and perform to the best of their abilities but some are being paid too much for what they provide a team and at a point it costs to trade them away. No disrespect to schmidt or Anderson in this case but term explains the valuation of what they are to a team.

Anderson does not have value based on his contract which is why mtl includes the pick.

Anderson is a cap dump with 4 years remaining and a 1st for him would require mtl 1st in 2024 as well

When we'll be ready to dump him, we'll call you.

For now you're the one calling us.

How is it disrespectful? I have acknowledged that the players obviously want to be the best they can be and have families to provide for but that doesn't ignore the fact that players sign deals with teams that expect a player to play at a certain level and a player may not reach those performances. When the players has next to no value and their cap hit is high (schmidt, Anderson, vlassic etc) the team benefits from trading away that player but teams are often near the cap so to remove the player it costs assets to trade them. If cap dump was reportable lots of people breaking the rules but there is no rule about that.

I think you have a hard time judging a bad trade from bad value which do not have to be the same thing.

This would be a bad trade for the Habs to do. I agree. Is the value off though? I'm not so sure it is. I think not a single team would take Anderson for free on waivers right now. Schmidt isn't good either but 1 more year after this one and its done. So you are paying a 1st that probably will be a playoff team 1st to get rid of Anderson for years 3 and 4. In a vacuum, this would probably be the cost right now. The key being "right now". Good GM's don't trade players at their worst.

Would I do it? No
Would you do it? No
Would KH do it? No

So there is nothing to worry about if you are opposed to it but if the Habs had to move him right now, they would be paying for it. Good thing they don't have to move now, right?

This is really bad for WPG

I am allowed to voice my views on a trade which is not far in value from other mtl fans in the agm. Just because you feel like I'm doing "trash" is not an excuse to make agms targeted at trolling winnipeg because you don't agree what I have presented. I am not being a bully but voicing what I have to say on a capfriendly matter that has been popular in the past. I'm not doing any agm agenda and cap dump is not an insult but a definition of a player cap hit to performance. If you don't like the agm or don't have something nice to say don't respond