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How much for these underrated younger players

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Team: 2023-24 St. Louis Blues
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  1. Berggren, Jonatan
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Gotta be cheap right? I know he scored 15 goals last year, but he’s a 23 year old in the AHL. Second round pick?
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    Basically has never been trusted by the coach and has struggled with injuries. He could be a good 2nd pair D here.
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      This guy is very very good and I’ve liked him since college. He’s 25 and Winnipeg deploys him as a 3rd pair guy. Any chance he gets free?
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        Good player, healthy scratched a lot.
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          Super high energy guy who I think could score if he got a change of scenes
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            What happened to him?
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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            Liljegren is likely only moved in a package deal for a bigger impact defenceman going to Toronto. Only guy that St. Louis has the fits that is Parayko
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:21 p.m.
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            Doesn't really make sense for the Leafs to move Liljegren unless it's part of a package for a legitimate upgrade with term, imo.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:21 p.m.
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            If leafs move lily they add for a better defender ideally pulock honestly
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:28 p.m.
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            There's not any realistic chance that Samberg is available.
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.
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            Frost and Samberg would be good pick-ups.
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:33 p.m.
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            Samberg would be great, but WPG is not trading him to us if they are at all. However, I insist that Army pulls Broberg. Not doing so would just be more malpractice. I'd also add Jett Woo to the list, he could be our new Bortz.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:37 p.m.
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            I know Berggren is in the AHL still, but that's because of piss poor management from Yzerman.
            Berggren should be in the AHL, but instead we're signing old farts because our young guys "need to compete for a spot," but then aren't even promoted when they earn their spot.
            I wouldn't take a 2nd for Berggren, tbh.
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.
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            Samberg would have to be a serious overpay. Jets have their left side set up for years to come with him Heinola and Morrissey. 1st + at minimum otherwise it just doesn’t make sense imo
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:43 p.m.
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            Quoting: mokumboi
            Samberg would be great, but WPG is not trading him to us if they are at all. However, I insist that Army pulls Broberg. Not doing so would just be more malpractice. I'd also add Jett Woo to the list, he could be our new Bortz.


            Yeah I’m in on getting Broberg and saying screw it you can play 20 minutes a night. I never even liked him, but he’s still worth a long shot.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.
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            Quoting: Windjammer
            There's not any realistic chance that Samberg is available.


            Fair enough, are Winnipeg fans mad that he doesn’t play all that much? I was screaming from the rooftop for years about Dunn playing third pair minutes.
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:46 p.m.
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            Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
            I know Berggren is in the AHL still, but that's because of piss poor management from Yzerman.
            Berggren should be in the AHL, but instead we're signing old farts because our young guys "need to compete for a spot," but then aren't even promoted when they earn their spot.
            I wouldn't take a 2nd for Berggren, tbh.


            I would be upset if I was a wings fan and they traded him for a second. I just doubt there’s much value out there for him and I wonder if he requested a trade.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:47 p.m.
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            Quoting: STLBlues17
            Yeah I’m in on getting Broberg and saying screw it you can play 20 minutes a night. I never even liked him, but he’s still worth a long shot.


            I don't even think he is much of a longshot. He's just buried behind junk and mishandled - something we know plenty about regarding Dmen in STL.
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
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            Liljegren would only make sense if the Leafs management wanted Faulk. I don’t think he’s that great personally, but he could at least fill that role and hope to develop a bit more.

            Would love Krebs, not sure Buffalo would move him though.

            Other guys I don’t have a large opinion on.

            I think Broberg makes the most to take a shot on. Some of the others I don’t see them being moved, or fail to see where they’d fit with us.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:50 p.m.
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            Fair enough, are Winnipeg fans mad that he doesn’t play all that much? I was screaming from the rooftop for years about Dunn playing third pair minutes.


            No, not really. Dillon likely moves on at the end of the year allowing Samberg to move to the 2nd pair and for now it's nice to let Samberg establish and get comfortable with his game on the 3rd pair without a lot of high pressure minutes being thrown at him.
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:52 p.m.
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            Quoting: mokumboi
            I don't even think he is much of a longshot. He's just buried behind junk and mishandled - something we know plenty about regarding Dmen in STL.


            I agree, I meant we should give him a long chance to prove himself
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:56 p.m.
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            Quoting: mokumboi
            I don't even think he is much of a longshot. He's just buried behind junk and mishandled - something we know plenty about regarding Dmen in STL.


            He hasn’t been great. His frame and skating is really good. But aside from that there’s not a lot there that’s been too promising.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:03 p.m.
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            Quoting: STLBlues17
            I would be upset if I was a wings fan and they traded him for a second. I just doubt there’s much value out there for him and I wonder if he requested a trade.


            I mean, as stupid as Yzerman is for how he's handling our young guys, I really hope he's not stupid enough to settle for a 2nd.
            I also doubt that he's requested a trade considering that the Red Wings are as close to home as he can get in terms of Sweden.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:12 p.m.
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            Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
            I mean, as stupid as Yzerman is for how he's handling our young guys, I really hope he's not stupid enough to settle for a 2nd.
            I also doubt that he's requested a trade considering that the Red Wings are as close to home as he can get in terms of Sweden.


            True, but there’s really no reason to move him for the Wings. Maybe those rumors are fake.
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            Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:12 p.m.
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            Quoting: STLBlues17
            I agree, I meant we should give him a long chance to prove himself


            I don't see why we should do that. He's got depth Dman written all over him.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:13 p.m.
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            Quoting: AC14
            He hasn’t been great. His frame and skating is really good. But aside from that there’s not a lot there that’s been too promising.


            He was certainly quite solid last season at 21.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:30 p.m.
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            Quoting: STLBlues17
            True, but there’s really no reason to move him for the Wings. Maybe those rumors are fake.


            Pagnotta does suck.
            Dec. 10, 2023 at 11:16 p.m.
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            I could see Bergy traded. Yzerman and Army like trading with each other. Bergy was a Kenny Holland draft pick.

            But Detroit with Larkin potentially being out for a while I'm expecting Bergy to be called up from Grand Rapids.

            Compher is injured too.
            Dec. 11, 2023 at 12:11 a.m.
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            Quoting: mokumboi
            He was certainly quite solid last season at 21.


            I would go more with alright last season. I think it’s relative to expectations though. He’s an NHLer. But I wouldn’t bet on him being more than a bottom pairing or a #4. There’s certainly the possibility he shoots above that but he needs some work with awareness in general which is to be expected to a degree with younger guys. It’s just how much can you tap out of a guy that’s played over 50 games albeit in inconsistent usage
            Dec. 11, 2023 at 12:17 a.m.
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            Quoting: AC14
            I would go more with alright last season. I think it’s relative to expectations though. He’s an NHLer. But I wouldn’t bet on him being more than a bottom pairing or a #4. There’s certainly the possibility he shoots above that but he needs some work with awareness in general which is to be expected to a degree with younger guys. It’s just how much can you tap out of a guy that’s played over 50 games albeit in inconsistent usage


            Almost all Dmen are not much to write home about through 50 NHL games at age 21. I think he'll end up a perfectly complimentary #4, but there can be little doubt he's being mishandled there.
            Dec. 11, 2023 at 2:41 a.m.
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            Quoting: mokumboi
            Almost all Dmen are not much to write home about through 50 NHL games at age 21. I think he'll end up a perfectly complimentary #4, but there can be little doubt he's being mishandled there.


            Agree with that aside from the rare exceptions, which are besides the point.

            And for what it’s worth I’d be more than happy if the Blues took a flyer on Broberg.

            But I expect something similar to the Paajaarvi outcome as opposed to the optimistic belief that is probably placed on due to draft position and age. Either way it’s beneficial and we can handle it
             
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