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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 9:57 a.m.
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      Pass from Vancouver they have enough LHD
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 9:59 a.m.
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      Quoting: sedin33
      Pass from Vancouver they have enough LHD


      This is for next season.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 10:22 a.m.
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      Getting both Levshunov and Mews would be an awesome draft.

      I just don't see Mews falling that low (My guess is Boston is between 24-32).
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 10:30 a.m.
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      Quoting: BillytheKid3
      Getting both Levshunov and Mews would be an awesome draft.

      I just don't see Mews falling that low (My guess is Boston is between 24-32).


      Some pundits have Mews falling that low.

      eliteprospects.com and dobberprospects to name a few.

      https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/577193/henry-mews
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 10:34 a.m.
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      I've really enjoyed Tarasenko this season, but right now I'm not that interested in bringing him back. They need more flexibility to change this roster.

      Right now my only definite keeps for next season would be: (not actual lines, just depth chart).

      Tkachuk Stützle Giroux
      Greig Norris Joseph
      ×××× Pinto ××××

      Chychrun Zub
      Sanderson

      Korpisalo


      I'm still heavily leaning towards keeping Batherson and Chabot as well, but I'm at least open to moving them. If you can bring in a top end RHD and a top 6 two way winger I'm open to it, but I'm not sure what that looks like. My dream fit is still Weegar, but it's not happening.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 10:34 a.m.
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      Some pundits have Mews falling that low.

      eliteprospects.com and dobberprospects to name a few.

      https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/577193/henry-mews


      I'd be ecstatic if we drafted him. He very well could, I'm a 67's fan so I'm totally biased and am ready for the heartbreak of watching him go the pick before ours in the late first. lol
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 10:47 a.m.
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      Quoting: Claesson4Norris
      I've really enjoyed Tarasenko this season, but right now I'm not that interested in bringing him back. They need more flexibility to change this roster.

      Right now my only definite keeps for next season would be: (not actual lines, just depth chart).

      Tkachuk Stützle Giroux
      Greig Norris Joseph
      ×××× Pinto ××××

      Chychrun Zub
      Sanderson

      Korpisalo


      I'm still heavily leaning towards keeping Batherson and Chabot as well, but I'm at least open to moving them. If you can bring in a top end RHD and a top 6 two way winger I'm open to it, but I'm not sure what that looks like. My dream fit is still Weegar, but it's not happening.


      IMO, you sign Tarasenko to an extension if nobody is coughing up a 1st for him.

      There's been a fair bit of pushback from folks in AGM about paying a 1st for Tarasenko.

      But then again, I have a feeling that most of them aren't being totally honest.
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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      I just don't see Mews falling that low (My guess is Boston is between 24-32).[/quote]

      I've been huge on Mews because I love the local boy storyline and all but after watching a few 67's games I'd be hesitant to draft him. Gifted offensively but really brutal defensively. I'd definitely favor a few other RD over him but would still highly consider him with Detroit/Boston's pick if he's still around.
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 11:07 a.m.
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      If we hire Berube then probably he stays assuming they had a good relationship but add a mill to Vlad
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.
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      Not sure why Ottawa would want to tie itself to a 32 year old Tarasenko for another 3 years when your not in your window yet? Trade him at the TDL and get another good long term asset and use the $5M strategically, instead of grasping at straws. Ottawa has a great foundation. Give the young stars time to mature and learn the game and add more pieces along the way, like some better journeyman D, and perhaps a better back up goalie for example. Just a thought.
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      This is for next season.


      Canucks will still have enough LHD; Hughes, Soucy, Zadorov/Cole/UFA.

      Brannstrom does not have the same value as Durzi did last season, Brannstrom is a depth-pairing offensive defenseman who isn't putting up points at an NHL level. I'd compare his value more towards someone like Addison (MIN to SJS) or Seigenthaller (WSH>NJD); a mid-round pick or a late pick + prospect.
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      IMO, you sign Tarasenko to an extension if nobody is coughing up a 1st for him.

      There's been a fair bit of pushback from folks in AGM about paying a 1st for Tarasenko.

      But then again, I have a feeling that most of them aren't being totally honest.


      If you are talking about NYR fans and comparing the Blues trade last year it's just a completely different situation. Number one reason is because the Rangers didn't have to give up their own first round pick, they gave up a first through Dallas (which was later than the Rangers own pick). Plus the Rangers were able to send back Sammy Blais, and acquire Mikkola who was great and filled a necessary gap at 6D (he was so good that I wish we had enough $ to re-sign him). Now, the Rangers don't have an extra first to give, our 6D in Gustafsson has been fantastic, so it's just not likely to happen. Especially if Chytil/Kakko are on LTIR until the playoffs and Ottawa doesn't need to retain salary.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.
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      Quoting: Dickie_Dunn
      Not sure why Ottawa would want to tie itself to a 32 year old Tarasenko for another 3 years when your not in your window yet? Trade him at the TDL and get another good long term asset and use the $5M strategically, instead of grasping at straws. Ottawa has a great foundation. Give the young stars time to mature and learn the game and add more pieces along the way, like some better journeyman D, and perhaps a better back up goalie for example. Just a thought.


      You're right, the Sens have been rushing the rebuild for years and it's getting them nowhere.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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      Quoting: Dickie_Dunn
      Not sure why Ottawa would want to tie itself to a 32 year old Tarasenko for another 3 years when your not in your window yet? Trade him at the TDL and get another good long term asset and use the $5M strategically, instead of grasping at straws. Ottawa has a great foundation. Give the young stars time to mature and learn the game and add more pieces along the way, like some better journeyman D, and perhaps a better back up goalie for example. Just a thought.


      1. Because he's a solid veteran who still produces offensively and shows no sign of falling off.


      2. You can't trade him for a good long-term asset if nobody will offer one.


      3. In order for our young stars to mature and learn the game, they need to be surrounded by players with veteran experience and quality talent (i.e. Giroux, Tarasenko, etc).


      4. Asking price for Tarasenko is a late 1st.

      If nobody will pay it, we'll just re-sign him instead.

      It's that simple.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 12:41 p.m.
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      Quoting: westleysnipez
      Canucks will still have enough LHD; Hughes, Soucy, Zadorov/Cole/UFA.

      Brannstrom does not have the same value as Durzi did last season, Brannstrom is a depth-pairing offensive defenseman who isn't putting up points at an NHL level. I'd compare his value more towards someone like Addison (MIN to SJS) or Seigenthaller (WSH>NJD); a mid-round pick or a late pick + prospect.


      1. Zadorov and Cole will disappear as UFAs.


      2. Sandin got only 20 points in 52 games for a much better team.

      He was traded to Washington for another Swedish LD who put up 38 points in 61 games + an unconditional 1st in a deep draft.

      A 2026 2nd is more than fair for Brannstrom.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
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      Quoting: Coachchippy
      If you are talking about NYR fans and comparing the Blues trade last year it's just a completely different situation. Number one reason is because the Rangers didn't have to give up their own first round pick, they gave up a first through Dallas (which was later than the Rangers own pick). Plus the Rangers were able to send back Sammy Blais, and acquire Mikkola who was great and filled a necessary gap at 6D (he was so good that I wish we had enough $ to re-sign him). Now, the Rangers don't have an extra first to give, our 6D in Gustafsson has been fantastic, so it's just not likely to happen. Especially if Chytil/Kakko are on LTIR until the playoffs and Ottawa doesn't need to retain salary.


      I'm not talking about NYR fans specifically.

      I'm talking about anyone in AGM that grossly undervalues Tarasenko and have made lowball offers for him.

      There's been a few of those folks.
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 12:47 p.m.
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      Quoting: MisstheWhalers
      You're right, the Sens have been rushing the rebuild for years and it's getting them nowhere.


      That was when Eugene Melnyk / Pierre Dorion were running the team.

      They're both long gone.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 12:54 p.m.
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      1. Zadorov and Cole will disappear as UFAs.


      2. Sandin got only 20 points in 52 games for a much better team.

      He was traded to Washington for another Swedish LD who put up 38 points in 61 games + an unconditional 1st in a deep draft.

      A 2026 2nd is more than fair for Brannstrom.


      You're ignoring that Sandin was 22, had 48 points in 140 GP, was averaging 18:00 ATOI, and had another year remaining at 1.4M AAV.

      In the scenario you've suggested, Brannstrom is 25 to start the season, has (at the moment) 57 points in 216 GP, is averaging 16:00 ATOI, and would be an unsigned RFA.

      What do you think Brannstrom's new contract is? 1 x 2M again?
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.
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      You're ignoring that Sandin was 22, had 48 points in 140 GP, was averaging 18:00 ATOI, and had another year remaining at 1.4M AAV.

      In the scenario you've suggested, Brannstrom is 25 to start the season, has (at the moment) 57 points in 216 GP, is averaging 16:00 ATOI, and would be an unsigned RFA.

      What do you think Brannstrom's new contract is? 1 x 2M again?


      That's why I have Brannstrom priced lower than Sandin.

      Not to mention Nils Lundkvist was also traded for a 2023 1st, despite playing only 25 games, scoring only 4 points and having done not much else.

      As for Brannstrom's new contract, I can see him signing for less if he goes to a team that's a better fit than Ottawa.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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      Quoting: Dickie_Dunn
      Not sure why Ottawa would want to tie itself to a 32 year old Tarasenko for another 3 years when your not in your window yet? Trade him at the TDL and get another good long term asset and use the $5M strategically, instead of grasping at straws. Ottawa has a great foundation. Give the young stars time to mature and learn the game and add more pieces along the way, like some better journeyman D, and perhaps a better back up goalie for example. Just a thought.


      Sogaard is putting up .914 on a medicore Bellville team and should be the backup and help korpy not have to play 60 games like he will this year but closer to 40-50 where he should be. We have the money next year to afford some free agents. If we hire burbe Tarasenko might stay. Also depends if we can get a first for Tarasenko.
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      Dec. 31, 2023 at 1:52 p.m.
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      That's why I have Brannstrom priced lower than Sandin.

      Not to mention Nils Lundkvist was also traded for a 2023 1st, despite playing only 25 games, scoring only 4 points and having done not much else.


      Lundkvist was 21 and was a highly touted prospect for the Rangers who wasn't getting the playing time. You're comparing it to players far younger than Brannstrom. When Brannstrom was their age, he was worth a lot more, too. But Brannstrom has failed to live up to expectations.


      Quoting: sensonfire
      As for Brannstrom's new contract, I can see him signing for less if he goes to a team that's a better fit than Ottawa.


      Thank you for proving my point. If a team wanted to, they could simply offer sheet Brannstrom on a 1 year, 2M deal. That's his value. No team is going to pay more than that.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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      Quoting: westleysnipez
      Lundkvist was 21 and was a highly touted prospect for the Rangers who wasn't getting the playing time. You're comparing it to players far younger than Brannstrom. When Brannstrom was their age, he was worth a lot more, too. But Brannstrom has failed to live up to expectations.




      Thank you for proving my point. If a team wanted to, they could simply offer sheet Brannstrom on a 1 year, 2M deal. That's his value. No team is going to pay more than that.


      1. Maybe Lundkvist wasn't getting the playing time with the Rangers because ... he failed to live up to expectations ??

      Brannstrom is not a good fit in Ottawa.

      If he went somewhere where he would be a good fit, he would live up to expectations.

      And there's not much of an age difference between 21 and 24.



      2. Sometimes, players will sign team-friendly deals.

      Kevin LaBanc is one example.

      It's because they like where they are playing and want their teams to have enough cap space to build a winner.

      It's mutually beneficial.

      And nobody offer sheets anymore because their players would get hit by offer sheets too.

      So, your point about offer sheets is irrelevant.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 3:23 p.m.
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      1. Maybe Lundkvist wasn't getting the playing time with the Rangers because ... he failed to live up to expectations ??

      Brannstrom is not a good fit in Ottawa.

      If he went somewhere where he would be a good fit, he would live up to expectations.

      And there's not much of an age difference between 21 and 24.



      2. Sometimes, players will sign team-friendly deals.

      Kevin LaBanc is one example.

      It's because they like where they are playing and want their teams to have enough cap space to build a winner.

      It's mutually beneficial.

      And nobody offer sheets anymore because their players would get hit by offer sheets too.

      So, your point about offer sheets is irrelevant.


      Offer Sheets directly affect the value. You're either ignorant or stupid to believe that they don't. Lundkvist was 4 years younger, Sandin was 3 years younger. You need to use comparative players in the same age range who have had similar experiences; Addison, Siegenthaller are the closest comparables, as I've mentioned before.

      The market value for Brannstrom, a depth defenseman, is a 3rd round pick at best, and more likely than not a later round pick. He's 25, hasn't lived up to expectations. If you believe that he's worth a 2nd, then I'll happily sell you Juulsen for a 2nd round pick instead.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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      Offer Sheets directly affect the value. You're either ignorant or stupid to believe that they don't. Lundkvist was 4 years younger, Sandin was 3 years younger. You need to use comparative players in the same age range who have had similar experiences; Addison, Siegenthaller are the closest comparables, as I've mentioned before.

      The market value for Brannstrom, a depth defenseman, is a 3rd round pick at best, and more likely than not a later round pick. He's 25, hasn't lived up to expectations. If you believe that he's worth a 2nd, then I'll happily sell you Juulsen for a 2nd round pick instead.


      1. We aren't selling you Chychrun for scraps when we just traded for him earlier this year.

      You're either ignorant or stupid to believe that we would.

      Addison was a throw in from the Zucker trade while Siegenthaler has no offensive upside whatsoever.

      Not even remotely comparable.



      2. And Brannstrom is 24, not 25.

      He has a long career ahead of him.

      There are 30 other NHL teams out there.

      You don't decide what is market value for those 30 teams and what isn't.

      Oh ... and nobody will claim Juulsen off waivers.

      No matter how many times you place him there.
      Dec. 31, 2023 at 9:05 p.m.
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      1. We aren't selling you Chychrun for scraps when we just traded for him earlier this year.

      You're either ignorant or stupid to believe that we would.


      What are you talking about? No one is talking about Chychrun to VAN in this thread. We are talking about Brannstrom.


      Quoting: sensonfire
      Addison was a throw in from the Zucker trade while Siegenthaler has no offensive upside whatsoever.

      Not even remotely comparable.


      Addison was traded from Minnesota to San Jose for a 2026 5th Round Pick and prospect Adam Raska less than 2 months ago. It was very clear I was referring to that trade, and not the Jason Zucker deal in 2020, as I specifically mentioned Minnesota and San Jose, multiple times.

      They are very comparable.

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      2. And Brannstrom is 24, not 25.


      Again, this is your hypothetical trade for 2024-25, next season. Brannstrom will be 25 next season.

      I think it's clear based on the state of your replies, that you have no idea what is going on, know nothing about what you're talking about, and any opinion you might have is very ill-informed.

      This maybe news to you, but you can compare players to other players. Brannstrom's closest comparables in terms of age, AAV, games played, ATOI, and production are Addison and Seigenthaller. He's worth a mid-round pick at most based on the value that those players had at the time of their trades.
       
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