That would be a tough haul to give up as a Kings fan, but I'd do it. Alex Tuch is a quality player and the Kings really need a right-handed power forward.

Value of these players is all over the place

Buddy, we don't add a first and a second to a Gibson trade, Gaucher and Luneau are not on the block.

Forgot to add 2 1sts and a 2nd for ek

Minnesota blocks your number

What haul? He's giving Tuch away

You forgot to delete this before accidently revealing you think Ek is worth more than any player has gotten in a trade in 30 years

That's definitely not "way more than any player has gotten in a trade in 30 years".

The reality is that type of return is 100% what it would take to even start a conversation with Minnesota about moving a center they desperately need signed long term to a steal of a contract. They have absolutely no reason to trade him, so you would have to offer something really dumb to get them to even entertain the conversation.

Who has gotten more than 2 1sts, a 2nd and a top 6 forward who still has rfa eligibility since atleast lindros?

You said way more, not just more. But to answer your question, Jack Eichel basically got that return with similar term on his deal, a questionable future in the NHL, and twice the cap hit. Kind of surprised you forgot that one, you sure you're a Sabres fan?

Your turn, name another player who has been traded with 5 years left on their deal that wasn't because of some form of sign and trade.

I don't think the trade proposed is reasonable at all.

But it's more reasonable that what you proposed, which is really saying something.

And no, this is quite a bit more than the eichel trade. Especially at the time of the trade.

Uhh.. how is this quite a bit more?

Mittlestadt (pending RFA) + 2 1sts + 2nd for a sure thing top 6 center with cost certainty over the next 5 years
Tuch (signed long term on a great contract) + Krebs (recent 1st round pick still young enough to not be considered a bust) + 2022 1st and 2023 2nd for a player that there was literally a chance he never played a single game for the Golden Knights if his surgery went bad.

Those are right about the same offer, with much more certainty on actually getting production out of the player you're receiving. We can argue about the value of Tuch vs. Mittlestadt or Krebs vs. a 1st we have no idea where it will land, but they're pretty close in value.

I'm glad you're at least admitting there isn't another case of a player with 5 years left getting traded in a similar situation. You're proving my point for me.

Tuch was essentially mittelstadt at the time of the trade

Also, are you suggesting ek = eichel?

Woof

I also never said the trade proposed was good. Just that yours is worse. So congrats?

So if Tuch was essentially Middlestedt and Krebs was essentially a 1st round pick still, the trades were about the same. I didn't actually say Ek was Eichel, I was pushing back on your debunked claim that the suggested return Minnesota would want was more than any player had received in the past 30 years. I am also saying 100% Eichel had the stain on him at the time of not knowing what Vegas was actually getting due to his injury. You know what you're getting in JEEK.

Currently however? They're not far off in contract value and getting $8.9m in value out of a $5.25m cap hit player is a pretty sweet deal compared to $10.1m value on a $10m cap hit. Eichel puts up more points, JEEK has been a top 10 Selke nominee the last few seasons so they're just different types of players.

You still can't name another player with 5 years left that's been traded can you? Keep shifting the goalpost all you want, you could at least admit you don't know of one so we can both agree the likelihood the Wild would even consider moving JEEK is slim to none and it would take a stupid overpayment to get them to consider. The trade we're talking about is a stupid overpayment btw. Buffalo would need to be pretty dumb to do it, just like I honestly thought Vegas was insane to give up what they did for Eichel given his health but hey that seemed to work out for them so what do I know.

I did think sabres fans would recognize the compare to eichel. Nearly twice the cap hit injury prone and a total diva be ek who’s everything you want in a player. He produces, gives 100% every shift, plays injured, steal of a contract, in his prime and signed long term. Any team in the nhl’s ears would perk up in a heartbeat if there was a wiff of ek being on the trading block. With eichel only a handful of teams kicked tires because of his cap hit and cost. Ek’s cap hit would be a blessing for any team.