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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...

Jan. 31 at 9:02 p.m.
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Jurmo and the 4th are random add ins but really not worth much. Quantity wise it’s kind of a lot but we managed to not trade away any of our true top prospects at least
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Jan. 31 at 9:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Jurmo and the 4th are random add ins but really not worth much. Quantity wise it’s kind of a lot but we managed to not trade away any of our true top prospects at least


Brzustewicz?
Jan. 31 at 9:04 p.m.
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Brzustewicz?


Yeah he’s having a great year but he was a 3rd round pick and a bit of a project. Could’ve been exciting, or he could’ve been Jack Rathbone #2
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Jan. 31 at 9:08 p.m.
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This trade had a lot of quantity, but quality wise it isn’t a whole lot more than we got for Horvat

The 1st round pick is potentially in the late 20s to 30s compared to the 2023 pick which was on the early teens at the time of the trade. Kuzmenko’s value is at an all time low and probably not worth much more than Beauvillier as they are both kind of a cap match. Raty is a bit more valuable than Brz and Jurmo and the 4th are kinda just there
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Jan. 31 at 9:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
This trade had a lot of quantity, but quality wise it isn’t a whole lot more than we got for Horvat

The 1st round pick is potentially in the late 20s to 30s compared to the 2023 pick which was on the early teens at the time of the trade. Kuzmenko’s value is at an all time low and probably not worth much more than Beauvillier as they are both kind of a cap match. Raty is a bit more valuable than Brz and Jurmo and the 4th are kinda just there


Sorry -BUT -
Sounds like your trying to sell a 'Kia' at a 'Mercedes' convention...
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Jan. 31 at 9:15 p.m.
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Seeing Huberdeau with Kuzmenko either gonna be funny or work

Should be interesting to watch
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Jan. 31 at 9:36 p.m.
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So Vancouver will have six guys at all-star game.

The defending champs will have none.
Jan. 31 at 9:41 p.m.
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"Parlay Pinto" w/ the OT Gamer!
boo-yeah!
Jan. 31 at 9:42 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 31 at 9:52 p.m.
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So Vancouver will have six guys at all-star game.

The defending champs will have none.


VGK probs happy as man did not realize how riddled they are with injuries.

Dont even know whose still there rn
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Jan. 31 at 9:57 p.m.
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I think its really funny that the narrative around Lindholm at the all star game will be that he got traded when the exact same thing happened last year with Horvat.
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Jan. 31 at 10:01 p.m.
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I’d say fair deal. But I like it a bit more for the Canucks. Also the whole thing about Lindholm being an Allstar even after getting traded, in other words the same as Horvat but reversed, is hilarious
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Jan. 31 at 10:34 p.m.
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WT-Fook!
SJ has a 2-week break after tonight's game!!!
Help
Feb. 1 at 1:06 a.m.
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A bit disappointed about Brz but not too much. He has had an exciting year but is still an unpredictable long term project that we got for a 3rd round pick


He's much more valuable to Calgary who will need a top 4 RHD once they move Tanev (or he ages out) and was somewhat expendable for Canucks with Willander in their pipeline.
Feb. 1 at 7:33 a.m.
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This feel super impulsive and I love it.

Is fun that there’s just so few players truly available cause salary cap for most teams, abundance of movement clauses, etc.

And then two of the most premium players swap, chunking down the available players for buyers by possibly the best 2, or close to that if not.

Maybe we see other buyers up their offers early to get what they want.

Cause like a few transactions later, the list dwindles even more, and who you gonna try to buy?
Feb. 1 at 10:20 a.m.
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This feel super impulsive and I love it.

Is fun that there’s just so few players truly available cause salary cap for most teams, abundance of movement clauses, etc.

And then two of the most premium players swap, chunking down the available players for buyers by possibly the best 2, or close to that if not.

Maybe we see other buyers up their offers early to get what they want.

Cause like a few transactions later, the list dwindles even more, and who you gonna try to buy?


I love it, mostly because it makes Monahan the best rental center on the market (not that he gets a return close to Lindholm but a 1st, or 2nd + prospect seems very likely at this point)
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Feb. 1 at 10:50 a.m.
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We are on day #54 of Jesse Puljujarvi's player try-out with Pittsburgh....
Feb. 1 at 11:13 a.m.
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I'm already sick of the new Monahan to team X for an overpay
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Feb. 1 at 11:17 a.m.
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I'm already sick of the new Monahan to team X for an overpay


It's the trade deadline and he's the best center available. It's not an overpay. It's market value this time of year.
Feb. 1 at 11:24 a.m.
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It's the trade deadline and he's the best center available. It's not an overpay. It's market value this time of year.


It is an overpay...

Using that logic, I'm assuming Petr Mrazek going for a 1st+ too?
Feb. 1 at 11:25 a.m.
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It is an overpay...

Using that logic, I'm assuming Petr Mrazek going for a 1st+ too?


Considering goalies don't tend to get much and Mrazek is signed for 3 years at above his expected pay, then No.
Feb. 1 at 11:26 a.m.
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Considering goalies don't tend to get much and Mrazek is signed for 3 years at above his expected pay, then No.


Same can be said about Monahan...

He's not even the top centre available, Adam Henrique's better

And I'm not even including the guys with term

Then also factor in the demand for centres... It's COL and WPG?
Feb. 1 at 11:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Same can be said about Monahan...

He's not even the top centre available, Adam Henrique's better

And I'm not even including the guys with term

Then also factor in the demand for centres... It's COL and WPG?


Monahan is the best middle 6 center available. He's better than Henrique. Monahan can be had for 2 Million, even with Henrique retained at 50%, he's still 2.9 Million. Colorado, Winnipeg, NY Rangers are the teams known shopping, and there's still 4 weeks until the TD so there will be more buyers. What can be said about Monahan? He's a UFA which is ideal for the teams who want to win now.
Feb. 1 at 11:41 a.m.
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Monahan is the best middle 6 center available. He's better than Henrique. Monahan can be had for 2 Million, even with Henrique retained at 50%, he's still 2.9 Million. Colorado, Winnipeg, NY Rangers are the teams known shopping, and there's still 4 weeks until the TD so there will be more buyers. What can be said about Monahan? He's a UFA which is ideal for the teams who want to win now.


Henrique is better at EV, and that's what most teams are looking to put either of them in, Henrique is also the better defensive player

And no term isn't ideal to team wanting to win now... Most teams prefer term or pending RFA to have multiple cup runs...
Feb. 1 at 11:50 a.m.
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Henrique is better at EV, and that's what most teams are looking to put either of them in, Henrique is also the better defensive player

And no term isn't ideal to team wanting to win now... Most teams prefer term or pending RFA to have multiple cup runs...


I guess that's subjective. Most teams don't have the cap space to take on players for multiple years which is why UFA's are the ones dealt for ransoms, and guys with term aren't usually dealt. Monahan will absolutely get a 1st (or equal to one) and Henrique likely won't.
Feb. 1 at 11:53 a.m.
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I’d suggest Monahan is going to get a large return.

Lars eller last year, 4 years older, much worse stats, returned a 2nd.

Arguably orielly returned a first plus. Granted that deal had accairi and some other picks/prospects. Orielly was having an awful season in stl.

There’s usually just 2-3 centers available.

The price is simply how bad they’re needed. Monahan at 29 and his current performance puts him up the list. I’d ask for stastny value - 1st and b tier prospect.
 
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