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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 30, 2024
Published: Jan. 30, 2024
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ANA
  1. Järnkrok, Calle
  2. Minten, Fraser
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
3.
TOR
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Domi, Max
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
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TOR
  1. Kyrou, Jordan
  2. Sundqvist, Oskar
  3. 2024 1st round pick (STL)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
STL
  1. Marner, Mitchell ($1,500,000 retained)
5.
SEA
  1. Niemelä, Topi
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (DAL)
6.
MIN
  1. Jones, Martin
  2. Steeves, Alex
  3. 2026 3rd round pick (TOR)
7.
8.
TOR
  1. Lyubushkin, Ilya ($750,000 retained)
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (PIT)
ANA
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
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2025
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22$83,500,000$77,950,950$0$1,850,000$5,549,050
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
UFA - 8
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$8,125,000$8,125,000
RW
UFA - 8
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$897,500$897,500 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
C
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
G
UFA - 3
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 8
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1
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-$62,500-$62,500
RD
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Jan. 30 at 2:18 p.m.
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That is a hall of shame worthy offer for Zegras, and is beaten by every other team in the league.
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Jan. 30 at 2:18 p.m.
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Thanks for doing this.
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Jan. 30 at 2:21 p.m.
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You can see how marner is a pretty lousy trade piece right? I mean that’s why you’d even consider moving him. Gonna ask for a fortune and that’s if he would consider sticking around.
Jan. 30 at 2:22 p.m.
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I want whatever you are on
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Jan. 30 at 2:24 p.m.
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You can see how marner is a pretty lousy trade piece right? I mean that’s why you’d even consider moving him. Gonna ask for a fortune and that’s if he would consider sticking around.


him and robbie are very good buds
Jan. 30 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
That is a hall of shame worthy offer for Zegras, and is beaten by every other team in the league.


While this thread was supposed to be a joke, I'm not sure teams are begging the ducks for him.
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Jan. 30 at 2:26 p.m.
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What happens? Are you good?
Jan. 30 at 2:26 p.m.
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Some of these are amusing, some hilarious, but the one that gave me the biggest laugh was the Seattle silliness.
Jan. 30 at 2:29 p.m.
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Toronto doesn't have any piece to get Stutzle
Jan. 30 at 2:29 p.m.
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While this thread was supposed to be a joke, I'm not sure teams are begging the ducks for him.

No, not all teams, agreed, but a sufficient number that IF Trevor Zegras is on the market, the Ducks will get Anaheim's desired price for him.
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Jan. 30 at 2:31 p.m.
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You should probably avoid the dip, seeing as how it makes you submit offers like these
Jan. 30 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
That is a hall of shame worthy offer for Zegras, and is beaten by every other team in the league.


Quoting: DRW2025
While this thread was supposed to be a joke, I'm not sure teams are begging the ducks for him.


Quoting: OldNYIfan
No, not all teams, agreed, but a sufficient number that IF Trevor Zegras is on the market, the Ducks will get Anaheim's desired price for him.


This trade is not good but Zegras is all Flash. he's not that good of a hockey player,
Jan. 30 at 2:54 p.m.
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This trade is not good but Zegras is all Flash. he's not that good of a hockey player,

First two full seasons:

Auston Matthews: 144 games, 69 and 63 points = 132 points
Mitch Marner: 159 games, 61 and 69 points = 130 points
Trevor Zegras: 156 games, 61 and 65 points = 126 points
William Nylander: 163 games, 61 and 61 points = 122 points
John Tavares*: 161 games, 54 and 67 points = 121 points (* with NY Islanders, of course)

Now, I'm not saying that Trevor Zegras is the equal of any of these players, or even all that close to them, but the frequent take that he's not that good a hockey player reveals a stunning ignorance. And there are some subtle indications that Toronto was a better team over the last 7 seasons (starting with 2016-2017) than Anaheim was over the past two.
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Jan. 30 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
First two full seasons:

Auston Matthews: 144 games, 69 and 63 points = 132 points
Mitch Marner: 159 games, 61 and 69 points = 130 points
Trevor Zegras: 156 games, 61 and 65 points = 126 points
William Nylander: 163 games, 61 and 61 points = 122 points
John Tavares*: 161 games, 54 and 67 points = 121 points (* with NY Islanders, of course)

Now, I'm not saying that Trevor Zegras is the equal of any of these players, or even all that close to them, but the frequent take that he's not that good a hockey player reveals a stunning ignorance. And there are some subtle indications that Toronto was a better team over the last 7 seasons (starting with 2016-2017) than Anaheim was over the past two.


Most if not all of those players first 2 full seasons were 18-19/20 year old seasons. Zegras's were slightly older.
Jan. 30 at 3:39 p.m.
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Most if not all of those players first 2 full seasons were 18-19/20 year old seasons. Zegras's were slightly older.

Matthews, Tavares and Marner were all 19 when the seasons I'm citing started, Nylander and Zegras were 20. If you think that the one year makes a difference, fine.
Jan. 30 at 3:40 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Some of these are amusing, some hilarious, but the one that gave me the biggest laugh was the Seattle silliness.


That one is hideous! 🤣
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Jan. 30 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
First two full seasons:

Auston Matthews: 144 games, 69 and 63 points = 132 points
Mitch Marner: 159 games, 61 and 69 points = 130 points
Trevor Zegras: 156 games, 61 and 65 points = 126 points
William Nylander: 163 games, 61 and 61 points = 122 points
John Tavares*: 161 games, 54 and 67 points = 121 points (* with NY Islanders, of course)

Now, I'm not saying that Trevor Zegras is the equal of any of these players, or even all that close to them, but the frequent take that he's not that good a hockey player reveals a stunning ignorance. And there are some subtle indications that Toronto was a better team over the last 7 seasons (starting with 2016-2017) than Anaheim was over the past two.


The thing is even if Verbeek is listening to offers on Zegras he's certainly not going to give him away.

Zegras will get a substantial return if Verbeek decides to trade him.

It may not be as high as what Ducks fans on CFACGM believe.

But it certainly won't be as low as what non Ducks fans on CFACGM believe.

It'll be closer however to what Ducks fans think in my opinion.

There seems to be a prevailing trend on CFACGM.

Trash the player you want to acquire thus lowering his value so you can justify a lowball offer.

Then place him on your number 1 line, number 1 D pair or number 1 goalie.

Funny how that works.

The player sucks and I'll give up nothing because reasons. 🤔

But as soon as he's on my team he's good again. 😁
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Jan. 30 at 3:48 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
First two full seasons:

Auston Matthews: 144 games, 69 and 63 points = 132 points
Mitch Marner: 159 games, 61 and 69 points = 130 points
Trevor Zegras: 156 games, 61 and 65 points = 126 points
William Nylander: 163 games, 61 and 61 points = 122 points
John Tavares*: 161 games, 54 and 67 points = 121 points (* with NY Islanders, of course)

Now, I'm not saying that Trevor Zegras is the equal of any of these players, or even all that close to them, but the frequent take that he's not that good a hockey player reveals a stunning ignorance. And there are some subtle indications that Toronto was a better team over the last 7 seasons (starting with 2016-2017) than Anaheim was over the past two.



There is more to this game then just points. Lets talk about his -45 while putting up those numbers its not that he's not a good hockey player he's get more attention because of his "flash" than for his play overall he's an average player and will be a career 2nd liner at best
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Jan. 30 at 3:50 p.m.
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Quoting: SharkTank
The thing is even if Verbeek is listening to offers on Zegras he's certainly not going to give him away.

Zegras will get a substantial return if Verbeek decides to trade him.

It may not be as high as what Ducks fans on CFACGM believe.

But it certainly won't be as low as what non Ducks fans on CFACGM believe.

It'll be closer however to what Ducks fans think in my opinion.

There seems to be a prevailing trend on CFACGM.

Trash the player you want to acquire thus lowering his value so you can justify a lowball offer.

Then place him on your number 1 line, number 1 D pair or number 1 goalie.

Funny how that works.

The player sucks and I'll give up nothing because reasons. 🤔

But as soon as he's on my team he's good again. 😁


You win, you've deciphered capfriendly ACGM's... how dare you.
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Jan. 30 at 3:51 p.m.
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You win, you've deciphered capfriendly ACGM's... how dare you.


It won't stop hideous, fantasyland trades on here.

I know that! 🤣
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Jan. 30 at 3:52 p.m.
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Quoting: kous
There is more to this game then just points. Lets talk about his -45 while putting up those numbers its not that he's not a good hockey player he's get more attention because of his "flash" than for his play overall he's an average player and will be a career 2nd liner at best


The Ducks, defensively, have been horrific for the past 3 seasons because the entire team has been horrific for the passed 3 seasons... -45 doesn't mean a whole lot when your best defenseman has been *checks notes* Cam Fowler.
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Jan. 30 at 3:53 p.m.
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There is more to this game then just points. Lets talk about his -45 while putting up those numbers its not that he's not a good hockey player he's get more attention because of his "flash" than for his play overall he's an average player and will be a career 2nd liner at best

Plus/minus is no more a definitive statistic than points, and by definition, a second-line player isn't an average player . . . or do you think that the second-line guys on YOUR favorite team are "average players"?
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Jan. 30 at 3:54 p.m.
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The Ducks, defensively, have been horrific for the past 3 seasons because the entire team has been horrific for the passed 3 seasons... -45 doesn't mean a whole lot when your best defenseman has been *checks notes* Cam Fowler.


You hear that?

Buddy has already concluded that Trevor Zegras is a "career second liner at best."

At 22 years old.

Amazing. 🤭
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Jan. 30 at 4:00 p.m.
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The Ducks, defensively, have been horrific for the past 3 seasons because the entire team has been horrific for the passed 3 seasons... -45 doesn't mean a whole lot when your best defenseman has been *checks notes* Cam Fowler.

Reinforcing your (and my) point: Discounting his ELC-busting first exposure, let's look at Cole Caufield's last 2-and-a-half seasons: 162 games, 115 points, -40.

I don't think he deserves any more, or less, scorn than Trevor Zegras, and neither one is an "average player."

Nick Suzuki's third and fourth seasons coincided with Trevor's (2021-2022 and 2022-2023); 164 games, 61 and 66 points, -42, long-term contract at $7,875,000. Just an "average player"?
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Jan. 30 at 4:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Green4D4
The Ducks, defensively, have been horrific for the past 3 seasons because the entire team has been horrific for the passed 3 seasons... -45 doesn't mean a whole lot when your best defenseman has been *checks notes* Cam Fowler.


Quoting: OldNYIfan
Plus/minus is no more a definitive statistic than points, and by definition, a second-line player isn't an average player . . . or do you think that the second-line guys on YOUR favorite team are "average players"?


Quoting: OldNYIfan
Reinforcing your (and my) point: Discounting his ELC-busting first exposure, let's look at Cole Caufield's last 2-and-a-half seasons: 162 games, 115 points, -40.

I don't think he deserves any more, or less, scorn than Trevor Zegras, and neither one is an "average player."

Nick Suzuki's third and fourth seasons coincided with Trevor's (2021-2022 and 2022-2023); 164 games, 61 and 66 points, -42, long-term contract at $7,875,000. Just an "average player"?


Don't worry Zegras doesn't know the name of the player on D either.

How is his game off the puck? he has no commitment to defense.
 
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