Idk. I didn't read the comments. But, yeah, McTavish alone is nowhere near enough to get the 1st overall pick.

I have heard mixed opinions on where Celebrini would fall had he been in last year’s draft, some “prospect insiders” have said he would fall right behind Bedard while others have him after Fantilli and Carlsson as well.

Going off performances at the World Jrs., I thought Celebrini was more impactful for Canada while playing on a significantly less talented team.

I've looked at it and I do think that my previous deal was in line with those values, but yeah it depends on wether the player tops his ceiling. I'm not really into Celebrini, and like everyone here geez I'd love to see the Habs land Lindstrom.

Yeah I agree. I don't think McTavish and #4 overall get #1 overall. Unless the team w/ #1 overall loves McTavish.

what would be the added missing piece then?

The other thing that needs to be considered is, if the Hawks win the draft lottery this year, they are unable to pick first overall again with their own 1st round pick until 2028 I believe. It will require an extremely good offer for them to even consider that, they would need to be pretty comfortable that the package they receive will leave them with no regrets down the road.

same for HABS if they win.

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Yeah. This might seem controversial to a lot of people, but I understand where you're coming from. I could definitely make a case for trading back or picking someone else entirely, especially given all the time there still is between now and the draft. Personally, I think Celebrini is great, but if you are a team that has bigger needs than a franchise first line elite center and you have an opportunity to spread the value around your roster, rather than all on one player, it's not hard to see why a team might want to do it.

The language says: "No single team can advance in the draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two times in any five-year period. This limitation will not affect a club’s ability to retain its presumptive draft position in any Draft Lottery, nor would it preclude the possibility of the club moving down in draft order to the extent other clubs advance by reason of winning the Lottery Draws. For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick."

So, if you are not moving forward as a result of winning the lottery, then it doesn't count toward the "two times in five years."

I would guess #4 or #8

Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli are pretty far ahead of him. Then Smith vs Celebrini becomes an interesting debate at #4. I’d say flip a coin. Then next two teams went dmen and Michkov went #7. He ought to go ahead of Leonard at #8.

Celebrini in our line up vs :

McTavish Lindstrom Dach
Caufield Suzuki Slafkovsky

For me this offers more.

But, also, if you get that 1st overall pick and there aren't any adequate offers, I think you have to pick Celebrini. McTavish and the 4th overall are not enough, IMO. I also doubt Lindstrom makes it to the 4th pick.

Looking at it from the Hawks perspective, probably another late 1st or an early 2nd. McTavish fills a need as the future 2C, but I'm not totally sold on his 2-way game. His defensive game is a big question to me. And at #4, there will be a very good player for sure, but if the draft goes as expected, it's likely Celebrini and Lindstrom are both off the board at #4. Taking Demidov there (if he's still available) is a huge risk. Who knows when he actually comes over. Leshevnov is a really good prospect, but Hawks really need a skilled forward more. Eiserman to me isn't worthy of #4. Neither is Catton. Dickinson as a LD isn't a need at all. So that's why I'm asking for an additional pick.

Any lottery win counts against the 2-in-5. That language is a little confusing in the initial press release.

So the only way to win three 1st overall picks in a row is if in one of those years, your team finishes dead last and teams from 12-16 win lottery.

Celebrini
Levshunov
Demidov/Eiserman
Lindstrom
Silayev/Dickinson
Biuim
Helenius
Parekh

I don't think that's a fair assessment of Celebrini. At both D -1 and his draft year, Celebrini is arguably better than Fantilli. Fantilli also had the benefit of a beast of a team around him. BU still wins games because of structure and depth. But Michigans top of the lineup players last year were an absolutely outstanding supporting cast for Fantilli. Plus, he has size and physicality on his side.

I still don't see Carlsson living up to the 2nd overall pick, either. I think he will be a great player, no doubt. But I have a feeling hindsight will tell us he should've gone later, even if that is only back one spot.

Thanks for the clarification.

Says who? I don't think the language is confusing at all, and multiple sources have interpreted it this way. The league has said nothing to debunk that interpretation, either.

I don't understand the Silayev or Dickinson hype. I'd take Buium over both of them. Same with Parekh and Helenius, but I wouldn't even consider taking them until the mid to late 1st round.

I'm not doing a mock draft but I do think that Levshunov is a top 3 in this draft, I wonder who from Eiserman or Demidov will slot 2nd overall and I see Lindstrom 4th then the one losing the race between Eiserman/Demivo slot 5ht and Silayev/Dickinson up next ... after that it's going to be one of Parekh, Biuim, Helenius or Catton ... then fall cuz this draft is not that deep.

To me the Silayev hype is the physical tools and he's not arguably, but definitely playing against the hardest competition in the draft. It makes the perception of his floor higher than anyone else in the draft. Doesn't mean his ceiling is, but having a "greater level of certainty" is a big deal. There are Top 5 picks that don't pan out all the time.

Everyone’s lists are different. I remember last year, some teams had Smith above Carlsson, for instance.

I personally would put Celebrini right after Smith (probably before Michkov just because the KHL risk). So #5 maybe #6.

It’s a rule called “Limit on Teams Winning a Lottery Draw”

Any lottery win counts as a win.

“Teams cannot win the lottery more than twice in a five-year period. Wins in the lottery prior to 2022 will not be counted toward this total.” (NHL)

This is an issue that has come up before.

I doubt Eiserman goes in the top 5 and the hype around Levshunov is not what it seems, IMHO. If a team needs a top of the lineup defenseman bad enough, sure, I could see one of Levshunov, Silayev, Dickinson or Buium going there, but they are not far and away better than the available forward options. If I am talking about CHI, I am taking a forward no matter where their 1st ends up.