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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching

Mar. 8 at 12:57 p.m.
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6th rounder??


No retention, makes sense I suppose.
Mar. 8 at 1:06 p.m.
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Of the playoff contenders who added, who do you all think rounded out their team the best?
Mar. 8 at 1:09 p.m.
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Buffalo trading their captain for scraps is hilarious.


Man deserves to at least play a playoff game.
More about giving him an opportunity than getting a return.
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Mar. 8 at 1:19 p.m.
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I couldn’t possibly disagree more.

Buchnevich is as mid as guentzel. I never said he wasn’t.

Neither of these players are elite. They’re adequate. They don’t take over the game. They do their job. They’re given 100% of the good icetime. They have the best linemate, matchups, special teams, and d pairings possible. In guentzels case he literally has one of the best all time nhlers as his center. They’re good enough to do the job and that’s about it.


"Mid" is a weird description for either of them. Michael Bunting is the one who is literally "mid". Now onto Jake, the worst thing about this "Crosby made Jake" take you and many others go on is that you can't answer a rather simple follow up question, if Crosby can make a guy a top line LW who is a ppg playoff performer and near that for is career... Why aren't all the other wingers who played with Sid on that level? Why is Conor Sheary who came into the team at the exact same time as Jake a bottom liner on near league minimum now? Shouldn't he be a top line player too? It's almost like you have to have skills to play with one of the greats of all time. Jake is objectively the best winger to ever play with Sid. The numbers back that up. Clearly then this very lazy take of "Sid made him and he is overrated" falls apart.
Mar. 8 at 1:22 p.m.
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Of the playoff contenders who added, who do you all think rounded out their team the best?


Vegas

When they get everyone back in playoffs they scary
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Mar. 8 at 1:35 p.m.
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Will be interesting to see what Canes plans are as they need to send some guys down to get under the cap even with DeAngelo and Raanta already down there
Mar. 8 at 1:36 p.m.
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ALLEN TO NJ
Mar. 8 at 1:36 p.m.
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ALLEN TO NJ


YO? We actually moved Allen?
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Mar. 8 at 1:37 p.m.
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ALLEN TO NJ


FC and I'm happy. Literally just get him off the roster.
Mar. 8 at 1:37 p.m.
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YO? We actually moved Allen?


According to Elliotte, there's traction. FC and I'm happy
Mar. 8 at 1:43 p.m.
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According to Elliotte, there's traction. FC and I'm happy


Engels says condiotional 3rd for Allen
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Mar. 8 at 1:44 p.m.
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Engels says condiotional 3rd for Allen


50% ret
Mar. 8 at 1:49 p.m.
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50% ret


Doesn't matter. He lost his role as backup. Can't believe we actually got value for him.
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Mar. 8 at 1:56 p.m.
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EJ going to PHI for a 2024 4th to BUFF
Mar. 8 at 2:01 p.m.
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Peeke to Boston. Makes zero sense IMO
Mar. 8 at 2:01 p.m.
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Zboril for Peeke?

CBJ wins

Get out of that dogwater contract for nothing

Whats BOS doing adding an expensive #8D
Mar. 8 at 2:02 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 8 at 2:09 p.m.
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"Mid" is a weird description for either of them. Michael Bunting is the one who is literally "mid". Now onto Jake, the worst thing about this "Crosby made Jake" take you and many others go on is that you can't answer a rather simple follow up question, if Crosby can make a guy a top line LW who is a ppg playoff performer and near that for is career... Why aren't all the other wingers who played with Sid on that level? Why is Conor Sheary who came into the team at the exact same time as Jake a bottom liner on near league minimum now? Shouldn't he be a top line player too? It's almost like you have to have skills to play with one of the greats of all time. Jake is objectively the best winger to ever play with Sid. The numbers back that up. Clearly then this very lazy take of "Sid made him and he is overrated" falls apart.


He’s overrated in the sense that he is not an elite, premium winger. He’s Jaden Schwartz minus one ankle surgery.

He’s the most consistent winger Sidney Crosby ever had. Why didn’t other people do it? There’s a ton of reasons: contract timing, availability and salary cap, age, somebody else is already doing it so there wasn’t a long term opportunity. And that’s the same reason it ended. Because you can’t both get younger and give Jake guentzel a ton of term to be acceptable. If he were elite and premium, this isn’t even a conversation, he’s already extended like Crosby or Malkin, two elite players.

He deserves the near 70 million in career earnings he’ll earn. He’ll be fine. He’s celebrated. He earned every bit of it. He’s not going anywhere near the hall of fame, not even the hall of really good. Some penguin fans had his trade value as if he were prime Peter forsberg, or what you’d expect in a Mitch Marner deal.
Mar. 8 at 2:02 p.m.
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Doesn't matter. He lost his role as backup. Can't believe we actually got value for him.


I would have been happy to end the 3 goalie situation for FC.
3rd is for the retention, but we get a bump in value if Allen ends up being their undisputed starter (1 round bump), so potential for getting "something" for Allen is there.
That potential (however low) is better than FC, so this is a decent use of retention.
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Mar. 8 at 2:09 p.m.
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I would have been happy to end the 3 goalie situation for FC.
3rd is for the retention, but we get a bump in value if Allen ends up being their undisputed starter (1 round bump), so potential for getting "something" for Allen is there.
That potential (however low) is better than FC, so this is a decent use of retention.


The condition is allegedly on games played next year with NJ by Allen
Mar. 8 at 2:13 p.m.
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Boris Katchouk claimed by Ottawa, Bjornfot claimed by Florida
Mar. 8 at 2:13 p.m.
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Gurianov to Philly for Wade Allison
Mar. 8 at 2:15 p.m.
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Boris Katchouk claimed by Ottawa, Bjornfot claimed by Florida


Lagesson claimed by Anaheim, Raanta, Deangelo, Lemieux clear
Mar. 8 at 2:21 p.m.
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on ESPN The Point says #NHLBruins thought they had something with Linus Ullmark, “so there was a deal that he essentially nixed, in large part based on geography, I’m told.”
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Mar. 8 at 2:39 p.m.
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Dumba to TBL
Mar. 8 at 2:41 p.m.
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CBJ got a 3rd and a 1st round bust for a #8 Dman is a how and this guy is making 2.75m and has been worse than Gudbranson

They take the big W

Conroy could learn a thing or two
 
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