Interesting...

If that MTL pick isn't first, it might be 2-5. just keep it lol

Chicago does that deal ALL DAY LONG!

Yeah not this year. Macklin is not worth this. Maybe next year for a guy like hagens, but probably not even then.

Celibrini ain't Bedard. Hawks would probably consider this.

I'd prefer to have the quantity of picks in this years in and next years drafts. A likely high pick and low pick this year, and two middle to high picks in 25. Chicago should probably accept. Montreal should decline.

That pick rn is like 8th. Of course if its 2nd-5th the value changes, but id still try to move up

Hes nearly goal per game as a 17 year in college. Hes a 40 goal, 90+ point player easily. And his chemistry with Hutson is a binus

Especially if the Habs have a 2-5 pick. I like Celibrini, but if you can come away with Eiserman, Demidov, or Levshunov AND 3 more 1st Round Picks, that's an absolute steal for the Hawks.

Thats what I'm saying. The only situation where Chicago doesn't consider moving on from a first like this is with Bedard. Really any other recent first overall this is a steal.

If its 2-5, value goes down. Habs have #7 rn

Especially if Celebrini went all Lindros style and refused to play for a Quebec team.

I think CHI has to at least consider that. But, without knowing where the MTL pick is in the draft order, I can't really say whether or not CHI accepts. At 7th overall, I don't think CHI accepts.

I don't really see why Chicago would do this if they do end up with first overall. Having two young franchise C's is a rarity and they've got the prospect pool and draft capital to build around potentially both Celebrini & Bedard.

And like mentioned above, that pick is 7th and they've been playing well under St. Louis. I'd maybe be more interested if that pick landed in the top 4 range, but I don't see that happening unless the Habs get ravaged by injuries again or move up through the lottery. For me it would have to be 2025 MTL 1st (7th ovr) + Juraj Slafkovský + unprotected 2025 MTL 1st. Montreal wouldn't do that but at the same time there's little reason for Chicago to not pair Celebrini with Bedard.

The cost of getting 1st overall isnt gonna cost a former 1st overall and 2 top 10 picks. And theres many reason for them not to pair them together. First one would be, they gain 4 assets instead of 1. They could get Catton at 7th, Mews with the WPP and then get another top 10 player next year. Hawks dont have much depth in terms of prospects. Nazar, Reichel , Moore are decent but nothing special. Theyve got no one on defence aside from Korchinski. They need to round out their roster. Having 2 superstars makes it very hard to do that.

Depends where MTL ends up in the lottery. Sure, as long as Chicago is the #1 pick and Mtl is #5 or better.

Ummm, let me introduce you to a guy named Vlasic. As a rookie, he is ranked in the top 5 defenders (not offensive d stats) in the league right now, playing first line minutes against the toughest assignments. Look up Sam Rinzel, another D prospect who is looking extremely good. Also calling Nazar, Moore and Reichel "nothing special" or "decent" prospects is a mischaracterization. Those 3 are considered very good prospects; not elite but very good prospects.

Chicago isn't going to pass on Celebrini if they win the lottery as this AGM suggests for a #7 pick, late 1st, and unknown 1sts next season that could be mid firsts. As you suggest with your comment on Nazar, Moore and Riechel all of which were middle 1st selections...they are "nothing special" so those mid or late 1sts are nothing special. Celebrini is indeed special. Chicago would need to see at least a couple chances to get someone special if giving up Celebrini such as a top 5 pick and top 10 pick guaranteed.

^ ^ THIS ^ ^

haha. I had something like this typed up and then erased it and simplified. But, yes, well put!

Comparing them to Habs prospects

Vlasic - Guhle
Rinzel - Barron
Moore - Mesar
Nazar - Newhook
Reichel - Roy

They are okay. Having Bedard shines them up a bit. And on the comment of mid first arent special, is blatantly wrong. Thats just the Hawks inability to pick the right guy. Lambert, Hutson, Yurov,Zelleweger, just to name a few, are players picked in the late 1st/2nd round that clear everyone in the Hawks system except Bedard of course.

Celebrini stays in college an extra year. So the Habs will still be dogwater. That 2025 1st is top 15 at minimum. That CGY 1st can be anywhere from 2nd overall to 32nd overall. Most likely 16-20 range.

Say the Habs pick is 7th, wouldnt you rather these players below or just 1 2nd line center, not even considering the Hawks own picks. Bedard has 8 years until he demands an obscene amount of money. Thats the window to win. This trade would quicken the time it takes for the Hawks to truly be competitive, instead of turning into the Oilers or the Leafs

Parekh/Catton
Mews/ Howe
Spence/Hensler
Ihs Wozniak/D'Aigle

No.

The comments you just made tell me you're out of touch with the Hawks young players and prospects. As an example, Moore was widely considered by the analysts as the best steal in the 2023 first round at #19. In 2022, the analysts also widely commented that Nazar was a steal at #13. You would literally be the first person I've heard say the Hawks didn't pick the right guy at the time; that's just 1000% inaccurate according to the professionals. Now you sit here with hindsight and cherry pick a few players from those draft years using 31 teams picks that "so far" look better....do you realize how stupid that is? Do you not understand you can literally do that with every single team's draft picks historically in the NHL with the benefit of hindsight outside of the bonafide elite picks (Bedard, McDavid, Matthews, Kane, etc.)...I'm sorry but this is just a poor analysis.

And you're comparing Guhle, a 16th overall pick with 96 games under his belt, to Vlasic the 43rd pick with 72 games under his belt??? WOW. Guess who's the better point scorer and who's the better defender? Guhle is better offensively but Vlasic is better defensively so makes very little sense to compare the two, but since you're going here, Hawks make the Habs look like crap comparably since they got the better defender at #43 and way way better value comparing #43 to #16; that should be zero debate.

Newhook vs Nazar? Are you serious here? Newhook was drafted in 2019, Nazar in 2022 3 years later. First of all, we have no idea what Nazar will turn into in the pros. Second, comparing two different draft years with vary different degrees of talent is incredibly stupid. Furthermore, Nazar had massive hip surgery last year so this is first real NCAA season post draft. Newhook had 42 points in 34 games in the NCAA post draft, Nazar 35 points in 30 games. So far 1.23ppg vs. 1.17ppg....razor thin and you're already crowing Newhook the better pick with 3 years difference in draft years and without Nazar having a chance to play in the pros yet? WOW

I'm not even going to dive any further into your comparisons because they are so off basis and meaningless.

Bottom line, no the Hawks aren't going let Celebrini go for the #7 pick, a late 2024 1st (the 2024 draft is not that deep), and two middle 1sts (projected) next year without a guaranteed elite/all-star type of prospect. If it was the #7 plus 2 surefire lottery picks, the Hawks would agree, but it's not.

You build around players like Celebrini hands down, and a 2C behind a generational talent in Bedard is more important than a few middle 6 wingers, bottom 6 players or bottom 4 defenders or mix of those which is what team typically find in mid to late 1st round picks IF all the players become NHL players at all; a very poor assumption by you given historic statistics which demonstrate mid to late 1st round picks have a 35% chance of becoming a career NHL player.