S-O-O-O close on the Zegras trade.

Just substitute a RhD (David Reinbacher) for the LhD, of which we have a surplus. And you can keep either one of the firsts.

Trevor Zegras first 180 games: 49 goals, 90 assists, 139 points, -39
Cole Caufield first 180 games: 72 goals, 57 assists, 129 points, -39

Caufield watch: 16 points in 18 games will get him to 146 points in 200 games. And that's with Zegras having played 14 of his 19 completed games this season (he played 3 shifts before breaking his leg in his 20th game) with a groin injury that eventually landed him on the LTIR list.

youre not getting Pettey for less than 11.5m

Rangers pass.

You aren’t getting Pettersson for a top 5 pick, an injury prone middle 6 forward, and meh pieces

Gonna need better players than Dach and Evans, also if Petey wont sign in VAN for 12 why would he sign in MTL for 10

Ducks decline. See almost any MTL ACGM from the past couple months for feedback

I agree with you this makes no sense for the Ducks but one thing you overlooked when comping CC to TZ is that typically 1 goal = 2 assists on the value scale

Canucks pass easily, especially with the development that he's close to signing long term in Vancouver

Perhaps cause Montreal is the NYY of the NHL, why is it that you think just cause someone won't sign in Vancouver that that automatically means they won't sign in Montreal? Even when rebuilding original 6 teams especially one of the 3 biggest markets in the league (Toronto, New York Rangers and Montreal) have high appeal to any player

Its more about the money rather than location. If he wouldnt take the 12 mil from one of the best teams in the league, why would he take less money for a team that is worse? It all irrelevant though, he's gonna resign in VAN

The Blues have nobuse or cap for Snake.

Love him miss him but we don’t need him

Blues say no

My apologies, I didn't even look at the contract value or term. It seemed like you were just saying that he wouldn't want to go to Montreal in general, so again I apologize for the miscommunication.

A center is also more valuable than a winger, which is where Zegras played pretty much every shift up until parts of this season. As is a 6 foot tall hockey player vs one who’s 5’7.

All of this is just dancing around the point that we agree on though, which is that this isn’t remotely close to enticing ANA to trade Z

What an odd thing to say -- it's the assist guys who drive a line. Without Suzuki, Caufield would be meaningless.

I wasn't saying assist players don't have lvalue just that if two guys who play the same position score 60 points but one has 40 goals and 20 assists and the other has 40 assists and 20 goals, it's the scorer who is the most sought after cause anyone can set them up but not just anyone can finish off plays. It's not my opinion, it has been said by analyst for decades.

See above comment

On the contrary -- observers in whom I put great trust have always valued the line drivers over the pure scorers until, of course, it reaches ridiculous proportions, as in Ovechkin or Pastrnak. A scorer without a provider is lost; an assist-maker can always get results even if his linemates don't finish as well as others might. That's why you often hear that insight distilled to "centers are more valuable than wingers."

Guys like Adam Oates are always going to rack up points even if their wingers are semi-inept. Guys like Cole Caufield are goint to wither on the vine without line drivers. That's why the segment of the Habs fanbase that is convinced that Caufield is more valuable than Zegras is just ignorant.

I don't think, CC is more valuable than Z cause Z plays all forward positions. However all an assist is, is a pass that a player converts into a goal, with out the goal being scored all it is is another pass. Assists don't count on the scoreboard in terms of winning or losing hockey games, if an assist doesn't happen a team doesn't automatically lose the game (see unassisted goals) however if a goal isn't scored a team can't win. You can have unassisted goals but you can't get an assist without a goal being scored. Don't get me wrong, I have already said that Z is worth a top 10 pick + Mesar + Farrell (but not necessarily top 5) and I really think he is someone the Habs should pursue and his value is equal to or slightly higher than CC's I was just saying that your point value comps aren't exactly accurate cause while they may both be close the goals are what is counted on the scoreboard.

Your above comment addresses neither point I made except for erroneously stating that they scored their points playing the same position

Are you confused? Where exactly did I say they played the same position? I said Z had more value since he plays all forward positions, I purposely overlooked size cause IMO it doesn't add as much value difference as some people believe, for example DeBrincat isn't worth less just cause he is smaller than Kempe or Stone

I wasn't saying assist players don't have lvalue just that if two guys who play the same position score 60 points but one has 40 goals and 20 assists and the other has 40 assists and 20 goals

Your quote above. Maybe you meant that as an example, but if so im just not sure why you referenced it to me at all. My points were positional value and size. Regardless, we agreed on the principal point that this doesn’t make sense for ANA. We’re all good 👍

Lol, ok I see, what happened there was I had originally said something else, referenced you to that then I edited what I had said and forgot to delete the reference. My apologies for the confusion

It’s all good. I’ve seen you on here a good bit and know you’re level-headed. I honestly started thinking it was me, but had no idea what I was missing, haha. Cheers man, wish you well