Is Jeff Skinner unmovable

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Created by: Brain

Team: 2024-25 Buffalo Sabres

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 9, 2024

Published: Feb. 29, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Last year, Skinner-Thompson-Tuch was a top line combo, but this year, Tage has struggled and has been injured (likely still is), and both Tuch and Skinner are well under a PPG.

If there ever was a time to shop Skinner, it was last year coming off a PPG season, but he has the full NMC. With Dahlin and Power's extensions kicking in next year, and Peterka/Quinn/Levi coming up soon, Sabres would definitely like to free up as much money as possible, even though Skinners value is extremely low generally, let alone right now. Is there any team in the NHL that might want to acquire him, or is he unmovable (and assuming he would approve)?

The qualifications for a team trying to acquire him would be in need of a top 6 LW, playoff bound if not cup contender, and has the cap to fit 7-9 M. The Erik Karlsson deal had 1.5M retained by the sharks for approx 4 years, so Sabres would probably have to retain at least that, if not more, as Karlsson was coming off a Norris and 100 points and Skinner having a down year.

Teams that COULD potentially fit this bill: Colorado, Boston, New Jersey, and then outside chances of Blues and Kraken as fringe playoff teams, but Kraken have so many guys with M-NTC it's actually impressive. EDM and WPG were considered, but doubtful Skinner waives to go to a Canadian market.

Fans of these teams, would Skinner interest you at all if Sabres retained and added some other pieces?

Free Agent Signings

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Skinner, Jeff		3	$9,000,000
Skinner, Jeff		3	$9,000,000

Trades

BUF

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Colorado gets their 2C and has a top 6 of Mackinnon, Rantanen, Lehkohen, Mitts, Skinner, and Nichushkin, assuming Landeskog is done for career.

This is the least likely to happen as Colorado has a tough cap situation, but is this a starting point Avs fans? Maybe a third party gets involved?

COL

Skinner, Jeff ($1,500,000 retained)
Mittelstadt, Casey [RFA Rights]

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The lower retained hit is due to COL receiving a better player in Mittlestadt. The players coming back would either be bought out (Johansen) or potentially moved for other pieces, as there's a logjam at LHD.

BUF

Marino, John

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Skinner, Meier, Bratt, Palat, Hughes, Hischier as a top 6 and they get a goalie that appears to have blossomed this year and figured things out.

NJD has Hamilton, Nemec at RD and Hughes and Siegenthaler at LD. Marino is good and not "expendable", but Nemec likely takes over in the top 4 sooner rather than later. Marino's 8 team M-NTC kicks in this offseason.

Would love Mercer or Bastian to be added here, but again, is this framework a convo starter?

NJD

Skinner, Jeff ($2,000,000 retained)
Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka [RFA Rights]

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Trading UPL clears the path once again for Levi to start. Same analysis as Carlo, Top 4 RHD at a good cost, frees cap.

BUF

Carlo, Brandon

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Could this be a conversation starter?

Top 6 of Marchand, pasta, Skinner, Krebs, Coyle, and then one more in FA, to let Poitras develop. A third line with any combo of Zacha, Frederc, Geekie, Heinen, JVR seems very deep.

He does have a M-NTC of 10 teams, so my guess is the western conference Canadian teams, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, the US bottom feeders (From last year) of Arizona, San Jose, Anaheim, Columbus, Chicago, and maybe Philly. Likely doesn't have to put OTT,MTL, or TOR on there as BOS likely wouldn't trade in division with them. IT does hurt D depth but Mcavoy and Lindholm as 1 and 2, might be able to part with Carlo.

BOS

Krebs, Peyton [RFA Rights]
Skinner, Jeff ($2,000,000 retained)

Buyouts

Christian Ehrhoff: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Jeff Skinner: $1,500,000 (16.67%)
Jeff Skinner: $2,000,000 (22.22%)
Jeff Skinner: $2,000,000 (22.22%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
17	$87,500,000	$80,331,070	$0	$2,500,000	$7,168,930

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
	Thompson, Tage $7,142,857$7,142,857 C M-NTC UFA - 6	Tuch, Alex $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Peterka, John-Jason $855,833$855,833 LW, RW RFA - 1	Cozens, Dylan $7,100,000$7,100,000 C, LW UFA - 6	Quinn, Jack $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 1
Benson, Zach $950,000$950,000 ($650,000$650K) LW RFA - 2
Greenway, Jordan $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Johnson, Ryan $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 1	Dahlin, Rasmus $11,000,000$11,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 8	Levi, Devon $925,000$925,000 ($1,000,000$1M) G RFA - 1
Power, Owen $8,350,000$8,350,000 LD/RD UFA - 7	Clifton, Connor $3,333,333$3,333,333 RD UFA - 2
Carlo, Brandon $4,100,000$4,100,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
Samuelsson, Mattias $4,285,714$4,285,714 LD UFA - 6

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Byram, Bowen $3,850,000$3,850,000 LD/RD RFA - 1	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3
Johansen, Ryan $4,000,000$4,000,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Feb. 29 at 12:43 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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There is no reason to do this

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Feb. 29 at 12:44 p.m.

dgibb10

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Devils would consider that imo

Feb. 29 at 12:46 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: dgibb10

Devils would consider that imo

Lol, of course you would.

You get a starting goalie and a top 6 forward with retention

Feb. 29 at 12:48 p.m.

dgibb10

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Lol, of course you would.

You get a starting goalie and a top 6 forward with retention

Depends on what UPLs contract looks like.

I’m not sure I view Skinner at 7 mill for the next 3 years as a positive at ages 32, 33, 34.

So then it’s if UPL on his contract will provide more value than Marino.

Feb. 29 at 12:49 p.m.

Brain

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

There is no reason to do this

The guy is about to hit 1000 games and has never made the playoffs. At what point do you do what's best for you as a player?

Feb. 29 at 12:54 p.m.

Brain

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Quoting: dgibb10

My guess is around a Samsonov/Vanecek type of ~3.5 to 3.8M AAV. Send Vanacek back to Buffalo to pair with Levi for a year for a big cost is also an option.

Feb. 29 at 12:55 p.m.

Letsgosharks

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Col does not do that imo

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Feb. 29 at 12:56 p.m.

dgibb10

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Quoting: Brain

My guess is around a Samsonov/Vanecek type of ~3.5 to 3.8M AAV. Send Vanacek back to Buffalo to pair with Levi for a year for a big cost is also an option.

How many years? 3?

Feb. 29 at 12:56 p.m.

BUFF742

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Edited Feb. 29 at 1:02 p.m.

First he has ntc. Second hes 9 mil 3 more years. Unmovable. Third he's a Buffalo icon and great guy in dressing room so no
The only player in your list worthwhile is untouchable Carlo who's very unicorn like unavailable
So answer yes unlovable but loved

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Feb. 29 at 1:01 p.m.

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Anus_McLeod

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Avs probably have zero interest in Skinner unless the deal is too good to be true.

Landeskog is on track to return, but even in the worst case scenario where he can't, an expensive winger isn't going to be atop their wish list. No offense to the player. Colorado is just not the right fit.

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Feb. 29 at 1:03 p.m.

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Brain

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Quoting: BUFF742

First, Yes,, he does have a full NMC, but again, the guy might want to actually play a playoff game or have a chance to win. Hence why I focused on teams that are playoff teams/cup contenders or teams that should be in the playoffs.

Second, He's 9M for 3 more years, unless we retain. Erik Karlsson at 4 more years at 11.5 was also "unmovable". Bringing down Skinner's hit a couple million to be more reasonable number for his skills could make him more appealing to other teams.

Third, "Buffalo icon" that has been on the team for half of the team's playoff drought. Ryan Reaves is a great dressing room guy too, I bet Toronto is glad they signed him for 3 years at over 1.25M to be a dressing room guy.

Feb. 29 at 1:05 p.m.

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Brain

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

I hadn't seen anything on him returning so assumed he wasn't tracking back. It's def the least likely scenario, but didn't know if getting a 2C might have them reconsider.

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Feb. 29 at 1:06 p.m.

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BUFF742

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Quoting: Brain

First, Yes,, he does have a full NMC, but again, the guy might want to actually play a playoff game or have a chance to win. Hence why I focused on teams that are playoff teams/cup contenders or teams that should be in the playoffs.

Second, He's 9M for 3 more years, unless we retain. Erik Karlsson at 4 more years at 11.5 was also "unmovable". Bringing down Skinner's hit a couple million to be more reasonable number for his skills could make him more appealing to other teams.
But yeah hos 9 million would sure make it easier to get Ep40

Third, "Buffalo icon" that has been on the team for half of the team's playoff drought. Ryan Reaves is a great dressing room guy too, I bet Toronto is glad they signed him for 3 years at over 1.25M to be a dressing room guy.

Ok but pretty sure he's not waiving. I totally see your point but don't think he wants or cares about playoffs but he'll see them next year. I promise
His 9 million would sure help to grab EP40 so I see your point

Feb. 29 at 1:07 p.m.

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Edited Feb. 29 at 1:13 p.m.

Umm, no. Not even a thought. No,

Comical for you to think Krebs cracks Boston top 6 when he’d struggle to find 4th line time here. Everyone you mentioned for possible 3rd line is better than Krebs, significantly better.

They can add a top 6 FW through free agency and keep Carlo.

Feb. 29 at 1:08 p.m.

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Quoting: Brain

I hadn't seen anything on him returning so assumed he wasn't tracking back. It's def the least likely scenario, but didn't know if getting a 2C might have them reconsider.

They would definitely be interested in Mittelstadt if there was a deal without Skinner that made sense for both team, but I don't personally see one.

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Feb. 29 at 1:08 p.m.

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Brain

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Quoting: dgibb10

How many years? 3?

I think he has 2 years left at RFA, so at least 2, maybe 3 or more.

Feb. 29 at 1:33 p.m.

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Aside from the value in the Avs trade which is diabolical for the Avs and decimates the D corps, it isn't a good fit for BUF and there's no way Skinner to the Avs really makes any sense. They can neither afford him even with retention, nor extend Mitts. So with regards to moving him to Colorado he's about as unmovable as it gets. I'm sure there may be other eminently suitable destinations though.

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Feb. 29 at 1:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Brain

The guy is about to hit 1000 games and has never made the playoffs. At what point do you do what's best for you as a player?

I mean I don't care at all about him as a player. The reason you move him is because he's played 1000 games and never made the playoffs.

Feb. 29 at 1:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Brain

I hadn't seen anything on him returning so assumed he wasn't tracking back. It's def the least likely scenario, but didn't know if getting a 2C might have them reconsider.

https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/02/17/video-gabriel-landeskog-moving-better-than-youd-expect-avalanche/

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Feb. 29 at 2:40 p.m.

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Quoting: Brain

The guy is about to hit 1000 games and has never made the playoffs. At what point do you do what's best for you as a player?

Sabres are NOT going to trade Skinner
The End

If at some point he asks out- THEN MAYBE- we’d take a look & see what we could do
But these trade ideas you have for now just aren’t gonna happen
Best to just accept that & realize Skinner will be here

Feb. 29 at 2:44 p.m.

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Quoting: Brain

My guess is around a Samsonov/Vanecek type of ~3.5 to 3.8M AAV. Send Vanacek back to Buffalo to pair with Levi for a year for a big cost is also an option.

ZERO CHANCE we are trading UPL
Levi gets the job when he takes it away from UPL- just like when Miller took the job from Biron back in the day

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