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Had a Thought - Lemme Know What You Think After Reading Description

Created by: Anus_McLeod

Team: 2024-25 Colorado Avalanche

Initial Creation Date: Mar. 14, 2024

Published: Mar. 14, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Not sure if there would be appetite for this from either side, but the thought popped into my head for some reason. Colton has a NTC that kicks in next year, so theoretically the trade could happen before it goes into effect. The Avs have been quite happy with Colton, but it could be where they save some much needed money.

Anyway, Colorado bets on a young player with a high ceiling and saves a bit of cap by doing so. Ritchie replaces Colton as 3C. Meanwhile, NY gets a sure thing for four more years but also adds some cap in the short term. This adds protection for the Chytil injury as well.

I don't know who (if anyone) adds here. I'm tempted to say NY since Kakko is having a very rough season, but I also recognize that high potential has value. Thus, I ended up leaving it as a straight up trade and would like to hear some opinions from both sides.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Behrens, Sean		3	$925,000
Ritchie, Calum		3	$950,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kakko, Kaapo	2	$2,400,000
Annunen, Justus	2	$775,000
Mittelstadt, Casey	4	$6,000,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Johnson, Jack		1	$800,000

Trades

COL

Kakko, Kaapo [RFA Rights]

NYR

Colton, Ross

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$87,700,000	$87,313,750	$0	$57,500	$386,250

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Lehkonen, Artturi $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	MacKinnon, Nathan $12,600,000$12,600,000 C NMC UFA - 7	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C M-NTC UFA - 1
Landeskog, Gabriel $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 5	Mittelstadt, Casey $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, C RFA	Nichushkin, Valeri $6,125,000$6,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 6
Kovalenko, Nikolai $896,250$896,250 ($57,500$58K) RW RFA - 1	Ritchie, Calum $950,000$950,000 C RFA	Kakko, Kaapo $2,400,000$2,400,000 RW RFA
Wood, Miles $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 5	Foudy, Jean-Luc $847,500$847,500 C RFA - 1	O'Connor, Logan $1,050,000$1,050,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Toews, Devon $7,250,000$7,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Makar, Cale $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD UFA - 3	Georgiev, Alexandar $3,400,000$3,400,000 G UFA - 1
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Manson, Josh $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Annunen, Justus $775,000$775,000 G RFA - 2
Johnson, Jack $800,000$800,000 LD UFA	Malinski, Sam $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Middleton, Keaton $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 1
Ivan, Ivan $845,000$845,000 C RFA - 2

Taxi Squad
Behrens, Sean $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) LD RFA - 3

Mar. 14 at 10:07 a.m.

GM69

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easy pass for NYR

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Mar. 14 at 10:13 a.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Would think NYR would need to know Chytils future before considering

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Mar. 14 at 10:13 a.m.

Rags21

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Rangers need Kakko (RW) more than a 3C

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Mar. 14 at 10:15 a.m.

Ste_Catherine_Street

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Kakko has nearly played 300 games. He's never going to be a top6 player. He's a 40point player.

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Mar. 14 at 10:22 a.m.

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: Rags21

Rangers need Kakko (RW) more than a 3C

Fair point. I forgot that they were hard up for RW.

Mar. 14 at 10:24 a.m.

Rags21

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

Fair point. I forgot that they were hard up for RW.

Yea, they literally have no RW outside of Kakko if you consider Laffy a LW. And it’s easier to find a 3C in free agency than a good RW I feel like

Mar. 14 at 10:47 a.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Rags21

Yea, they literally have no RW outside of Kakko if you consider Laffy a LW. And it’s easier to find a 3C in free agency than a good RW I feel like

RW Ufas:

Pavelski
Reinhart
Debrusk
Duchene
Marchessault
Sprong
Silfverberg
Toffoli
Tarasenko
Perron
Kapanen
Beauvillier
Olofsson
Kane
Perry

Mar. 14 at 10:52 a.m.

aedoran

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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street

Kakko has nearly played 300 games. He's never going to be a top6 player. He's a 40point player.

How is he a 40 player? Last season he did have 40 points but this season he's on pace for 16 points. His next highest point total was 23 in his rookie season. He needs to have at least have another 40 point season to be considered a 40 point player. So far he looks like the second coming of Jesse Puljujärvi.

Mar. 14 at 10:57 a.m.

Rags21

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

RW Ufas:

Pavelski
Reinhart
Debrusk
Duchene
Marchessault
Sprong
Silfverberg
Toffoli
Tarasenko
Perron
Kapanen
Beauvillier
Olofsson
Kane
Perry

Yea and how many of those guys can they realistically fit in their tight cap? If they like $4m to work with for a top RW if even that

Mar. 14 at 10:57 a.m.

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NYR1983

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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street

Kakko has nearly played 300 games. He's never going to be a top6 player. He's a 40point player.

In Those games he has produced far more than Nichushkin did at the same amount of games. Kakko is doing just fine even though it’s not to your standards of a 2OA. NYR is definitely not worried despite the concern on this site or twitter. Hot takes are simply hot takes.

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Mar. 14 at 11:02 a.m.

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: NYR1983

You guys sound like carolina fans about kotkaniemi

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Mar. 14 at 11:04 a.m.

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NYR1983

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

You guys sound like carolina fans about kotkaniemi

Car shouldn’t be concerned about KK either. He makes 4m for the next 4-5 years. He might not become a top 6 C but he can be a top player for sure.

Mar. 14 at 11:09 a.m.

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Rags21

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Quoting: aedoran

Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street

Kakko has nearly played 300 games. He's never going to be a top6 player. He's a 40point player.

Why does everyone think top draft picks need to be a point per game player to be classified as a good player lol

There is more to hockey than just collecting points and there’s far too many examples of players developing offensively later in their careers lol

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Mar. 14 at 11:09 a.m.

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Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: Rags21

Yea, they literally have no RW outside of Kakko if you consider Laffy a LW. And it’s easier to find a 3C in free agency than a good RW I feel like

Colton and Olausson for Kakko and Robertson? Might not solve the immediate problem for the Rangers but it adds RW in the system. And Robertson is pretty blocked.

Mar. 14 at 11:13 a.m.

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Rags21

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

Colton and Olausson for Kakko and Robertson? Might not solve the immediate problem for the Rangers but it adds RW in the system. And Robertson is pretty blocked.

I’d rather rangers just keep their assets and sign Wennberg or Roslovic for $3m

Robertson isn’t blocked, he just isn’t good and hasn’t impressed the organization. It was missed pick

Mar. 14 at 11:14 a.m.

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Ste_Catherine_Street

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Quoting: Rags21

I never said he wasn't "good". The author of the post wrote he still has a high ceiling. All I'm saying is after 300games you pretty much get what you see.
He'll have to develop into a 3rd line layer in my opinion

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Mar. 14 at 11:18 a.m.

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Rags21

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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street

And like I said before, there’s plenty examples around the league where guys figure out their offensive game later in their careers

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Mar. 14 at 11:19 a.m.

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Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street

Almost all of Kakko's points have come at even strength over the past two years. I like that.

And when I say high ceiling, I'm not suggesting he's gonna be a top line player. An effective middle six forward with 40-50 points, mostly at 5v5, for the next decade is quite attractive. The risk is if he can get back to that point.

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Mar. 14 at 11:37 a.m.

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Rags21

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

Colton and Olausson for Kakko and Robertson? Might not solve the immediate problem for the Rangers but it adds RW in the system. And Robertson is pretty blocked.

Also not to mention, Drury wouldn’t even trade Kakko for Guentzel who is worlds better than Colton. Plus, the rangers shouldn’t be helping the Avs get better

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Mar. 14 at 11:56 a.m.

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Onlyfairtrades1

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Rangers pass.

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Mar. 14 at 11:59 a.m.

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: NYR1983

Car shouldn’t be concerned about KK either. He makes 4m for the next 4-5 years. He might not become a top 6 C but he can be a top player for sure.

4.82 million for 6 years. Traded a 1st and 3rd for him

Mar. 14 at 12:24 p.m.

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NMAvsFan

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I don't see them bringing Ritchie in until after next year. If he develops and can be the 3C, they should then have the flexibility to trade Colton if they feel they need to.

Mar. 14 at 12:33 p.m.

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aedoran

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Quoting: Rags21

All I said was he's not considered a 40 point player.

Mar. 14 at 3:22 p.m.

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NYR1983

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

4.82 million for 6 years. Traded a 1st and 3rd for him

Well they gave up those picks and realistically the 1st would be trending the same way and they are in win now mode. The 3rd would have been such a lottery ticket that no one really cares. That 6 year contract is great, 6 years from now that contract will be like 5% of the cap. Absolute steal!

Mar. 14 at 3:34 p.m.

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: NYR1983

It was an 8 year contract after a 1 year 6.3 million contract.

He's their 4C and plays 11 mins a game.

45 million and 2 picks for a 4c

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