We'd rather have Arvidsson and Ziemmer than one season of Reilly Smith at $2.5 million. Depending upon how things go with Matt Roy, we might be able to afford $4 x 3 for Viktor.

I think NJ accepts. Petey fits nicely, especially retained.
A think a simpler deal would be a 2nd and 3rd but that prospect list wouldn't be an issue.

yeah i didn't think i was asking for anything crazy, ofc knowing very little abt those prospects... i'm not opposed to picks, but dubas has indicated he prefers getting prospects to try to speed up the youth movement that has barely begun, thanks for the feedback

fair enough, i was just looking for players with injury plagued or rough seasons to sign for a year for potential bounce back, sell at the TDL type stuff... friedman mentioned LAK as a team to watch for reilly smith but idc where me move him as long as he's gone lol

I'm not particularly optimistic about this lineup.
Brown, Anderson, and Krug aren't exactly guys I think are better than what we have now.
Ludvig, St. Ivany, and Puljujarvi all strike me as guys you'd rather have as a 13th F or 7th D

Then with trade values:
I'm skeptical that Winnipeg is willing to part with Schmidt and Stanley for so little unless they're in a massive cap crunch this offseason.
Same thing as the Jets trade but the other way around for Marcus Pettersson. He's been a legit top pairing defenseman the past two seasons, and makes both Karlsson and Letang better. Quantity over quality is not the direction to go in for a player like him.

It's certainly different from the usual Pens ACGMs and there are some good ideas here. But will any of these deals fix the team's problems these past two years? Will they set us up for an easier rebuild? I'm not sure they'll do either.

Just floating an idea out there. Do you think Dubas and the Pens would entertain something like this:

MTL
Anderson
Barron
2024 1st WPG
2025 3rd VAN
2024 7th WSH (We know Dubas loves his 7ths so throwing one in here)

for

PIT
Smith Reilly
2024 2nd PHI

Sign me up TODAY. Yes please I’ll come pick him up myself

There's no incentive for Winnipeg to consider that.

The Blues pass, but if you feel like giving away Pettersson and Smith half retained I'm sure Army would love to discuss those players. Fairly sure the Pens won;t want to gift New Jersey goodies like that.

The way I look at it is basically Krug/Anderson/Armia/Schmidt at a higher cap hit in for Graves/Rakell/Smith/Pettersson. I'd probably go with the latter. Ludvig on the 2nd pair scares me a little too haha

TB doesn't need Nieto and neither does it need to give up an asset, got enough bottom six players in the squad as is or can just call up a player from Syracuse next season instead

all the players i targeted are bounce back candidates or for guys like josh anderson and torey krug it was more just swapping bad or overpaid contracts... i took on more $ for fewer years you'll notice, just in theory i thought that made sense for what PIT is doing...so that way we have alot of cap cleared up sooner.... then some players on 1 year deals to build their value that we can flip at the TDL...

yeah this is different bc this is me recognizing that we're not winning anything and i'm just trying to figure out what is plausible... bad or large contracts we have won't be moved for a 7th, we'll have to take $ back... then i want to leave spots open for younger players to play so thats why some questionable players are in the lineup... this team isnt' really trying to win, bc i don't think it's likely at this point... this is just us not tanking bc a full tank/rebuild is not possible...

pettersson is next year's guentzel... we don't want to move him, but keeping him doesnt' help us at all... we're not winning so i'd rather have younger players play and get experience... and unless we get a high end offer and assuming it's more a guentzel haul with mid prospects and 2nd round picks......

hopefully that all makes sense lol

oh probably, i'd do that bc i'd take a third for reilly smith then the other stuff is fair to take anderson's contract... my thought above was sending a bigger contract the other way which i think makes more sense for PIT, but rakell doesn't have a big NTC like others so he'd be easier to move anyway...

both Pettersson and Smith will be gone by next year's TDL or i'd be shocked... open to offers 100% and PIT will retain 50%
feel free to shoot me a ballpark offer for anything lol and i'll put it in my next ACGM and tag you

I see the method to the madness, but I disagree with the general premise. Skirting both buying and selling again doesn't do us any good. I'd like to pick a lane, be it going all in for one last push or blowing it up. To me, this team is mediocre, which is the worst thing a sports team can be.
And I don't think a full tank is impossible. A couple players will be hard to move (Graves, maybe Raks), and the big 3 should retire here. Almost everyone else is on the table.

With the Pettersson argument, part of the reason Guentzel got a lesser return is that he was pretty much guaranteed to be a rental. Pettersson is a couple years younger and could pretty easily sign an extention with a team at ~6-7M. Defensemen of that level have gotten a 1st+ at the last 3 deadlines: Hampus Lindholm, Dmitri Orlov, and Noah Hanifin. Why not the Dragon?

It makes sense, but I don't think another year like this one does us any good. The Pens need to pick a direction before time does it for them, if it hasn't already.

i agree with you in the sense of being a 100% seller is the best path, but with all the NMC/NTC and bigger contracts thats almost impossible rn, that's why i said to sell of everything possible, (pettersson, eller, reilly smith) and i'd look to move karlson, jarry, rakell, etc if there were any takers... but a full sell is not possible, and we can't move out big contracts without taking some $ back... so i was attempting to lessen the term of some larger deals to free up more cap space sooner for pit, like the exact moves might not be feasible, but the premise stands as valid.
dubas has 6 more years on his contract, so he has to think long term which is why i don't see pettersson getting extended and i bet all signings or acquisitions are either younger players under-26 or 1-year deals for bounce back candidates or guys we can flip each and every deadline...
i agree with your logic 100%, i just don't see Pit being able to full out tear down for several years...