Moving up at the draft

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Created by: KentMcNally

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 2, 2024

Published: Apr. 2, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

If things remained as they are now and Montreal holds the #23 pick and New Jersey holds the #11 pick would New Jersey be willing to trade that pick to Montreal?

The Devils thought that they could be very good this year and that fell apart due to goaltending and defence, but perhaps they are close to competing and not overly interested in waiting for that #11 pick to be a key contributor in 3 or 4 years if they are in a win now mode.

Do Devil fans consider Palat a cap dump (he kind of looks like one to me, given his salary and his production, but I have not watched him much this year)?

If the trade package is not right, how should it be changed (by either team)?

Trades

MTL

Palat, Ondrej
2024 1st round pick (NJD)

NJD

Farrell, Sean
Matheson, Michael
2024 1st round pick (WPG)
2025 2nd round pick (MTL)
2025 2nd round pick (PIT)

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Joel Edmundson: $1,750,000 (50%)
Jeff Petry: $2,343,750 (50%)
Jake Allen: $1,925,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$76,935,416	$1,170,000	$4,035,000	$6,564,584

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $7,850,000$7,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 7	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW UFA - 1	Newhook, Alex $2,900,000$2,900,000 C, LW RFA - 4	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 4
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Roy, Joshua $835,000$835,000 ($57,500$58K) LW, RW RFA - 3	White, Colin $775,000$775,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael $812,500$812,500 LW, RW UFA - 2		Ylönen, Jesse $775,000$775,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Palat, Ondrej $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 4

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 1
Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 2	Primeau, Cayden $890,000$890,000 G RFA - 2
Struble, Jayden $867,500$867,500 ($57,500$58K) LD RFA - 2
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 2
Xhekaj, Arber $828,333$828,333 LD/RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 3
	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 3
	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Apr. 2 at 10:20 a.m.

ht42

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Devils will likely gonna trade their 1st round pick for a top goalie like Markstrom.

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Apr. 2 at 10:29 a.m.

KentMcNally

Thread Starter

Fall River Habs

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Quoting: ht42

Devils will likely gonna trade their 1st round pick for a top goalie like Markstrom.

I could see that happening. Although, it is rare for such a high pick to be traded for a goalie, but maybe Calgary and New Jersey work out some other details in a larger trade scenario.

Apr. 2 at 10:37 a.m.

ht42

Joined: Apr. 2022

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Quoting: KentMcNally

I could see that happening. Although, it is rare for such a high pick to be traded for a goalie, but maybe Calgary and New Jersey work out some other details in a larger trade scenario.

It's a ideal scenario for CGY because they will likely gonna want to draft Iginla.

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Apr. 2 at 10:48 a.m.

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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Both Devils and Palat say hell no.

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Apr. 2 at 10:51 a.m.

NJDevils1317

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First, no way Palat waives for MTL. Second, why would the Devils be going after quantity over quality? Third, which was addressed in other posts, I can not see the Devils trading a top 15 pick for two years of Markstrom. It is not as if the market is that hot for him that other teams would be offering anything close to that ballpark. Markstrom probably goes for a conditional 2nd at best becoming a 1st if a team reaches the conference finals.

Apr. 2 at 11:14 a.m.

Campabee

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So last year it cost the Coyotes 27th + 2 2nd round picks for the 11th OVA pick but the Habs are gonna trade 2 1sts + 3 2nds for a winger we don't want or need and the same pick?! Hughes and company don't even consider this, take out Matheson, Farrell and Palat and that's the deal

Alternatively, Matheson for the Devils 1st + 2nd works too

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Apr. 2 at 12:05 p.m.

Smitty426

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

First, no way Palat waives for MTL. Second, why would the Devils be going after quantity over quality? Third, which was addressed in other posts, I can not see the Devils trading a top 15 pick for two years of Markstrom. It is not as if the market is that hot for him that other teams would be offering anything close to that ballpark. Markstrom probably goes for a conditional 2nd at best becoming a 1st if a team reaches the conference finals.

Right now its a 11 OA pick, that is a lottery pick. So first off thats not going for JM. Next as noted a top 15 is worth more than JM. B's fans are offering Ullmark for a 2025 1st +. Thats a better option than Markey. We need a starter for sure, but the pressure to get in now is off, the prices wont be what they were for a guy like JM, if they are Jersey shouldn't pay them. I still think Fitz wanted him because of the extra yr to let our young guy get reps and see what we have. Allen changes that dynamic now so JM less of an option. Allen will backup New G next yr and Daws/Schmid (if he wants too stay)/Poultier/Brennan etc will be the following years backup IMO

Apr. 2 at 1:14 p.m.

habs_need_Scoring

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Quoting: Campabee

Matheson alone is worth a first and palat has negative value, this deal makes no sense whatsoever for MTL.

Apr. 2 at 1:29 p.m.

NJDevils1317

Joined: Aug. 2021

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Quoting: Smitty426

You understand I didn't mean this year right as it isn't as if we can still offer a conditional 2nd now, it would have to be 2025, and I'm not even saying it is NJ doing it.

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Apr. 2 at 1:29 p.m.

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NJDevils1317

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Quoting: habs_need_Scoring

Matheson alone is worth a first and palat has negative value, this deal makes no sense whatsoever for MTL.

Matheson is not worth a top 15 pick.

Apr. 2 at 1:30 p.m.

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Campabee

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Quoting: habs_need_Scoring

Matheson alone is worth a first and palat has negative value, this deal makes no sense whatsoever for MTL.

What?! I literally said to take out Matheson, Palat and Farrell or make the deal just Matheson for the Devils 2024 1st + a 2nd, you are just repeating what I said

Apr. 2 at 1:33 p.m.

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dgibb10

I Love J Boqvist

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Quoting: Campabee

What?! I literally said to take out Matheson, Palat and Farrell or make the deal just Matheson for the Devils 2024 1st + a 2nd, you are just repeating what I said

Wrong dman for that package. Try Kaiden Guhle if your ask is NJD 24 1st+2nd

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Apr. 2 at 2:22 p.m.

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Smitty426

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

You understand I didn't mean this year right as it isn't as if we can still offer a conditional 2nd now, it would have to be 2025, and I'm not even saying it is NJ doing it.

Yes definitely I was just stated for those who might be asking. And I dint state it properly but yes I agree with you on value, sorry bout dat.

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