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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bsilk18</b></div><div><a href="/users/Propeller09" target="_blank">@Propeller09</a> <a href="/users/ON3M4N" target="_blank">@ON3M4N</a> <a href="/users/hanson493" target="_blank">@hanson493</a> <a href="/users/Shmoeman" target="_blank">@Shmoeman</a>
<a href="/users/Bcarlo25" target="_blank">@Bcarlo25</a> ... I tagged those guys here to mention something very important. I don't ever argue with anyone on here, I have had fun discussions with a bunch of guys on my posts and made edits and admittedly smiley faces cuz we r chill lol... I only ever argue with one guy and its you. On the other hand, I looked through your past few posts, and I see angry argument after angry argument. So the point is this, there is a common theme in arguments on here, and it is you. Stop trying to fight people, lets talk, lets agree to disagree about stuff, you are not always right, you are probably wrong sometimes too. I gotta be honest, Im done with you, what you say on my posts doesn't matter anymore, and I tagged the others to let them see what the issue is here, you. Enjoy this website, but please stay away from my posts, I don't need that toxicity here. Just trying to enjoy a friendly community.</div></div>
Honestly, tough crap. People post absurd stuff on here and I tell them that it’s absurd. I’m blunt. If they take offense to that and start a battle, that’s their problem, not mine. I’m not going to come at with kiddie gloves. If something is just fundamentally wrong, I’m not going to say, “oh, well, I think that even though I’m sure you’re very smart and had the best of intentions, I think maybe this is just a little bit off. But good job slugger!” If someone posts something that’s bad, I’ll let them know. If it’s awesome, I’ll let them know that too.
I’m not going to stay away from your posts. If you post something bad, like this, I’ll likely say it is what it is. If you post something good, you’ll probably hear that it’s awesome. I’m not going to decide what I post on based on your feelings. There is a block function on here though. Feel free to use it. I won’t be shedding any tears over that.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq</b></div><div>You don’t understand a single word of what ive said. Carlo won’t become a duncan keith or doughty or hedman. Scoring 30-35 pount a year isnt enough for being a top 2 defenseman. That being said doesn’t mean that playing second pairing defence doesn’t as less impact. Actuallythe difference with a top unit and a second unit is most frequently the Powerplay time. Scoring one goal on a rush doesnt make you a general on the pp. the offensive skill isnt something that couls be learn its instinctive. He will not turn into a 50 point defenseman. But can easily be one of the top nhl shutdown defenseman. Brett pesce is a good example. He is valuable to any member of that defensive squad but he isnt the pp guys that doesnt mean is bad so calm down a minutes and read carefully. Even if you dream of carlo at night being the highly scoring defenseman you think he is that not realistic.
Does the hawks win 3 cup without haljmarson the answers is clear its no. But does it make him a premiere defenseman no. Same as carlo. Edmunston in st louis those are the con’arable</div></div>
wow. I'm kind of amazed that you had the balls to say that I don't understand what you're saying when you made the following assumptions out of thin air.
1. I think Carlo will become a hedman, doughty, or keith?
2. I think Carlo scoring a short handed goal makes him a power play general?
3. I think he'll turn into a 50 point guy?
Did you really just tell me to read carefully? After that interpretation? seriously?
Anywho, few issues here. First is that you think the offense end is purely instinctive and can't be learned or whatever. Actually in a weird way I somewhat agree with you, the issue is, he's shown the instinct! He's there! He has shown a profound amount of jitters with the puck when he gets to the offensive areas, but that can be outgrown, and it kind of looked like that happened in the latter half of the season and the playoffs.
Here's the big one. Scoring 30-35 points a year isn't enough for being a top two. Well, that's bonkers. Let's just take a look for a second at how many d men scored 35 points last year. Ah yes, 41. So that's kind of out the window right? If we weren't sure, there are a ton of guys in that 41 that aren't top pairing d men because they're friggin liablities in their own end. Let's take a look at some of them for kicks. Faulk, Dunn, Ghost, Hamilton, Severson, Risto, Krug, Barrie, Gustaffson. I think those are just the guys taht no one could really argue is a top pair guy. So now we're somewhere around 30 guys in the league that meets your lofty threshold? Now let's take a look at some of the guys that I think every hockey fan that knows a thing or two would agree are top pair talents. You mentioned Pesce, he's one. Heiskanen, Weber, maybe Hanifin, Subban, Slavin (freaking SLAVIN, he's a legit number one d, top ten in the league for sure), Hampus Lindholm, and my personal favorite....boy if you don't think this guy is a top pairing d man in the NHL, I don't know if there's any helping you: Colton Parayko. 28 points. I think Carlo can get to a Parayko like level of production. That's not a stretch in the slightest, and that would certainly place his ceiling (your term, not mine) above a second pairing d man.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq</b></div><div>Carlo will be a haljmarson type of defenceman, very affective, doiing all thing right on the ice but still isn’t a top pairing defenceman since i doesn’t have the offensive side to is game. I mean i add not said he was bad but still isnt a top 2 defenseman. I love carlo and playing 5on5 shutdown minutes is a great task but doesnt have the same impact of a potential 59 goal scorer. Trent frederic is a good prospect but he was drafted because of is energy and size not for is offensive skill. I mean he is not a pure skill guys like laine, or pastrnak. Winnipeg would want a prospect like that in return</div></div>
on Carlo: Doesn't have the points yet, no arguing that. There's more than is on the stat sheet though. The dude can flat out skate and towards the end of the year it seemed like he flipped a switch and started jumping into the play more. I mean, he scored a short handed goal in the stanley cup final by joining the rush to create a 2 on 1. I think saying he doesn't have the offensive side is kind of ridiculously premature if you watch the guy play. Also saying that he isn't a top two defensemen is something i can't understand, especially in the context of you saying that at best he's a good second pair. First off, he just turned 22. Second, in 5 on 5 ice time, want to take a guess where he ranked on the boston bruins, you know, that team that was one win away from a cup? second. and that's with mcavoy blocking him at the top RD position. He's already there.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>yeah, except the first line, you only got wingers on L2 and L4 right if you were trying to make a lineup
Moore is injured & EDM won't want him.
Also, it's not both Carlo & McAvoy to bridge deals, it's one or other (likely McAvoy) so in this case, Carlo will probably make $4M; McAvoy can get more than that but some would continue to disagree until they see Bruins' release :tearsofjoy (cough <a href="/users/Bcarlo25" target="_blank">@Bcarlo25</a> cough)</div></div>
it is amazing how incorrect you can be in one post. Edmonton want a reasonably priced, cost controlled D with term in a market that struggles beyond belief to get veterans at reasonable deals? never. What's wrong with Kuraly on the LW. I think that's a reasonable option?
Why can't both d men get bridged? Is there some rule against bridge contracts I didn't know about?
Why can't you produce a single example of a defensive d man that got paid as much as you think Carlo will get paid?
Why can't you produce a single example of a group 1 RFA that got paid as much as you think McAvoy will get paid?
It should be really easy right? You use emojis like it's so obvious. Man, if I was talking so definitively like you are about how McAvoy will never take less than 6 million, no matter what the term, I think I'd want to bring an example of some time that it happened, at least once. If I couldn't find one, I'd probably shut up.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>The buyout period is over for this season. Bury him? Yea that's an option thought it doesn't save Bruins any money. Only Backes knows if he would prefer one year in Ottawa or one year in Providence. His family might have the say. But by this post, which includes the 6m Backes the Bruins have 2.9m in cap space. Give McAvoy a raise of 1.5m to 7.5m you might get him for six years, though have to determine how long Miller and Moore are on LTIR.</div></div>
Backes is not the same as Marleau. Not even close.
Marleau is the one with the very restrictive NTC. A Full NTC in which he said, he will not play for anyone but Tor or SJ.
Backes list is only 8 teams for this year, but switches to 15 next season.
The Bruins don't need the money like Toronto did/does. They moved out quite a bit and still might not have enough for Marner. The Bruins either already do, or can easily get there by moving what most would consider non-essential pieces (Miller, Moore, Halak) . They are not as desperate. Plain and simple. Evereyone knew Toronto needed to do something to protect themselves from Offer sheets. Not just Marner, but all of their RFA's - if Kapanen or Johnsson got offers for 4m (2nd rd pick comp.) It's 1.5m more than they spent on them.
Backes also isn't 40, he is 35. You and I might not think he can play anymore, but he might. No, the monetary savings for putting him in providence wouldn't really help the Bruins, but it would certainly motivate Backes, especially if he thinks he has another year or two left after his current contract. I can't imagine Riding buses and sleeping in Non NHL quality hotels is what he is looking for at this stage of his career. I am sure he would love the hour so drive to and from Providence every day.
There are plenty of teams who would have loved to have Marleau because of his leadership, problem is everyone knew his deal.
Also very important fact is the real money. Which is very important to some teams and owners.
OR the Bruins simply buy him out next season. it's not worth their picks, or young assets. They don't need to do it. They have enough money. If they don't. They could easily move some pieces and get something back in return.