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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMar. 13, 2023 at 5:24 p.m.

Thread: Vancouver finds way to dump Miller without retentions

If Miller was traded....no retention would be required. Hubie on the other hand.......

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 26, 2023 at 12:33 a.m.

Thread: East Coast Express - Locked On

It would cost Tor a 3rd round pick just to get rid of Kerfoot for free.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 26, 2023 at 12:27 a.m.

Thread: Car - Van Canes join the arms race in the east

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>evelutions2</b></div><div>You’re joking right? Cause there are several things wrong with what you have said.

First, the Canes won’t make a move for Miller unless Miller’s AAV on his extension is between 4-5mil. KK also doesn’t have negative value, and has been one of the best 2-way players in the league since the turn of the new year. That’s a massive overpayment for an off injured winger who hasn’t been great this year and another overpaid winger who would sit on the 4th line.</div></div>

4.8M for another 7 years for a forward that will never crack the .5 points per game barrier is the very definition of negative value.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 20, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.

Thread: Skinner back home and in the playoffs

For the first time since he signed this deal he is almost worth what he is getting paid and you think Carolina would give up a 1st, a 2nd round prospect and a cheap 5-6 D man to get him? This looks to be an outlier season. Previous three seasons, 192 games and only 100 points. Even if he only had a 4M contract you would be hard pressed to get a first rounder for a 1/2 a point per game player. He is getting older and still has 4 more years at 9M.

Way too much of an ask for Skinner.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 16, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.

Thread: Vancouver NYR

Van would jump at that deal if it was offered. Even if Krav become nothing....only having to give up Dakota to FINALLY get rid of Stillman would be worth it.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 14, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.

Thread: brock and nils

Hoglander and a 4th rounder seems high to only save 2.3M.
And this year Lawson has 31 points in 49 games. Brock has 35 points in only 45 games. So, slight edge to Brock.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 14, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.

Thread: lucic cap dump Schenn

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>We are not giving you a 2023 1st round pick (likely in the middle of the draft) for that! Make it a 2nd round pick with no retention on Looch and we probably do it maybe even add a little sweetener.

The only way that 1st moves is if it's part of a package for a player like Meier or Chychrun.</div></div>

When will flames fans realize it will take a huge sweetner to dump Looch. He has NEGATIVE CAP VALUE. If Trev wants to have 5M to spend at the deadline, it will cost at least a 3rd, probably a 2nd to unload Looch to someone.

It cost you a 1st rounder to get rid of Monny and he is still (barring injuries) an NHL player.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 14, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.

Thread: Schenn

A 3rd, a 4th and 7th rounder does not equal a 2nd round pick. And a 2nd round pick is probably what Van will get. Or a 3rd and a B prospect.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 14, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.

Thread: buff

Agree...good trade for Van but don't see Buf doing this unless they think they can sneak into WC1 which is unlikely.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 14, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.

Thread: CHICAGO GETS THEIR MAN

Worst trade ever. If Minny even contemplated this....might as well fold the franchise.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 14, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.

Thread: tavaras cap dump

Mute point. Tavares would never waive his NMC to go to a team outside of the playoffs.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 14, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.

Thread: Who would say no

Seeing it is Trevling still in charge....I would say it is a maybe from the flames side.
If the flames miss the playoffs, it is back to working for daddy for him.

Flames get a solid cheap stay at home D man and an extra 4+M to spend on another trade in a desperate move to make the playoffs.

I would just hope Trev is so desperate he makes the 1st rounder unprotected when they end up in the lottery.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 13, 2023 at 1:38 p.m.

Thread: Ana will need D next year

This is only if OEL agrees to be traded. Van retains 31% of OEL's salary.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 12, 2023 at 12:15 a.m.

Thread: Flames cant score

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>That statement goes to how much you know about hockey and Lucic. Guys like Lucic are in high demand for the playoffs. 50% retained, he should return something</div></div>

HAHAHA. Not a chance Looch gets traded to a playoff team even if the flames retain 50%. The deadline will prove me right...and you INCREDIBLY WRONG.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 11, 2023 at 9:56 p.m.

Thread: Flames cant score

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>That's just dumb.</div></div>

Dumb is thinking you can get an asset for Looch

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 10, 2023 at 11:26 p.m.

Thread: Flames cant score

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Lol. A) we do not need to dump Lucic and B) it wont cost a 1st or anything at all for that matter to move him

We could simply retain 50% on him and trade him for an asset in return or just keep him. We’ve already paid $3.61mil of the $4mil in actual salary he’s owed this season, so he won’t cost us any assets at all, if he’s even moved</div></div>

Even at 50% retained....you are NOT getting an asset for Looch. Scowling does not get you points in the playoffs. You would have to give up at least a 3rd or a 4th to get rid of his cap. Does not matter what actual cash is left.....no one care about that. The only thing that matters at the trade deadline is the cap.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 10, 2023 at 7:07 p.m.

Thread: Flames cant score

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Not getting a 1st and definitely not without at least 30% or $2.6mil in retention. Starts with at least $1mil/yr retained and VAN might get a 2nd</div></div>

The 1st is to take Looch off your hands

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 10, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.

Thread: Miller to WPG

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>It's funny how a lot of (not all) VAN fans talk about how amazing Miller and his contract are, yet they're all trying to trade him for below (what should be) market value for a player of his "caliber". Not saying he doesn't put up points, but when diehards are trying to move a supposed long term valuable piece............</div></div>

Van is desperate for cap space. That is the ONLY reason they have entertained offers on him.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 10, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.

Thread: Miller to WPG

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>As I said. Cool. Hang onto him. No one wants that contract.

Scheifele would be an example of an infinitely better player making less than Miller's $8.0 next year.</div></div>

Look at when Scheifle signed that deal. Before the start of the 2016-17. His three year prior, he was .67 points per game. Not even close to a point per game player. What do you think he will sign for on his next contract ....will be more than 8M that is FOR SURE.
So, your Scheifle arguement is flawed.
Like I said....VAN DOES NOT WANT to trade Miller. But they need the cap space because of OEL and Boeser.
Btw, Scheifle and Miller have the same point totals this year and I forget, when did Scheif get 99 POINTS? He has never had more than 85.
Also, Miller absolutely OWNS Scheif in the dot.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 10, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.

Thread: Miller to WPG

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Cool. I don't think anyone will be upset if Vancouver hangs into him. It's the most likely outcome with that contract.</div></div>

Find me a point per game player over the last 3-4 years that is making less than Miller. I will wait. His contract is not a hinderance. The ONLY reason Van would even entertain trading him is to get cap space to improve their poor defense.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 10, 2023 at 4:18 p.m.

Thread: Miller to WPG

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>You'll need to retain on Miller and add Vancouver's first and maybe more if you want to return that much from anyone.</div></div>

Yep...you have to add a sweetener to get rid of a point per game player. SMH

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 10, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.

Thread: Calgary finally replaces Matthew Tkachuk

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Logical fallacies are your thing aren't they?</div></div>

None of those three will be more than AHL all stars. They will never be regular NHLers. I'll chat with ya in 5 years to say I told you so.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 9, 2023 at 4:01 p.m.

Thread: Calgary finally replaces Matthew Tkachuk

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Wrong. Any of Backlund, Tanev or Toffoli could be traded to free up cap space. All 3 are still pretty good and only have next year left on their contracts. If Pelletier sticks plus Zary and Coronato make the team next year all 3 could be traded freeing up enough space to pay Meier and pick up another defenseman to replace Tanev.</div></div>

Those three make the team....the flames are more of train wreck than I thought.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 9, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.

Thread: stone may never returnSomething new and shiny for VGK

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Nobody is going to take Miller for 8 years at 8 mil AAV. Huge mistake by the Canucks there. Even worse after that they tried to lowball Horvat and wound up losing him. What a fiasco!</div></div>

SEVEN years. Not eight.
Find me another point per game player over the last 3-4 years that make less than Miller. His contract is right on mark. Van needs the cap space to improve their D.

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 2, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.

Thread: stone may never returnSomething new and shiny for VGK

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>Yeah, but they'll go rental before they go with another long term high cap hit. Lehner will be off LTIR next year. Stone most likely as well. They can't over extend themselves again.</div></div>

Lehner is a head case. He is not coming off LTIR ever. Stone, who knows how a second back surgery will turn out. What rental is going to bring what JT does? Maybe O'reilly but he is hurt and is 2 yrs older. can you think of anyone else? Teresenko? nope Toews? nope, kane, meh!

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