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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 27, 2020 at 11:42 a.m.
Thread: Never should of signed tavares
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nighthawk</b></div><div>Agree JT signed @11m was obvious then &amp; now it would put pressure on the cap. Never understood the need to speedup the rebuild that was doing fine.

Was he is he good value? Not really
Did he fill a big need? Hardly
Did the signing compromise flexibility? No doubt it did.

The results have not proved out it was either good value nor the answer &amp; lastly the bonuses look like a joke now.

What if is always considered before taking the plunge.
Short sighted move that won’t end well.
As for AP I cannot lump him into today.</div></div>

I disagree, the rebiuld was done. Signing Jt was a good move, if they didn't sign him, they likely have Zaitzev on the team right now. And I would say he is good value. The leafs got him for free. They did not have to give up anything to get him directly.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>Kapanen and Johnsson are not what I would call smart hockey players. Both on and off the ice. I got the distinct impression that they both felt that they were on the same level as 88, 16, 34, and 91 and they simply were not.

Both trades were the right moves. Pandemic and flat cap or not.

They made too much money for what they provided. They have been replaced accordingly.

I wish them well in the wars to come but, I have no problem with them not being on this team anymore.</div></div>

I agree. They were depth player that needed to go. They were not bargain contract that are supposed to be in the leafs bottom 6. You can't be paid over 2 mil to play bottom 6 for the leafs lol.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 30, 2020 at 2:23 p.m.
Thread: call me Dubas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>Well... for starters, let me say this. It isn't so much that I don't like the additions that you've made here. The contrary is actually true. I like the players that you have added.

I just don't see it as enough change to make a difference.

There is a larger problem that keeps getting pushed under the rug in most of these posts. The Leafs are spending 40 million dollars on four forwards. As much as I like the players, I believe that is a poor dispersal of financial resources.

I think that all of their salaries are for the most part reasonable dollar values. (Perhaps Marner is slightly overpaid but, that is another story for a day long since past IMO).

I think it would be in the team's best interest to trade one of those salaries to properly allocate finances better. (I know that is not a popular opinion and so be it).

Tavares has a no move. Matthews isn't going anywhere and after Dubas' comments about Marner, neither is he. Who does that leave?

I really, really like Nylander. So much so that, were it up to me, I'd rather trade Marner and use his 11 million dollars of cap space to shore up in other areas. We all know that isn't happening. So there does that leave us. Basically right here with what you have produced, or something similar, which to me, just isn't good enough. (Again, that is my opinion and I know it isn't a shared one for the most part).

I could go a lot deeper but, I'm not going to. Lets just say, that there isn't anything that terrible about what you have produced here, and agree to disagree as you have already said. YOu've gotta give something of quality to get something of quality and for the most part, what you have here just doesn't move the needle enough for me to believe that things will be any different.

Fair enough?

I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.</div></div>

I get the 40 million thing. I get it. I don't think it's easy to change. You aren't going to trade Nylander without a great return. And you shouldn't, because he's a great player.

So even if you move him for lets say, Colton Parayko in this case. You haven't saved much on the cap and now you need to pay Parayko and Rielly in two years. What the Leafs have right now is a lot of cost certainty. They know how long this core is setup to be together for, they only have a few negotiations between now and when Matthews/Nylander are up again. They know what their core is going to look like. That helps plan for the future (and if the cap had kept rising I think these deals would look better, can't predict COVID). The Islanders made the eastern conference final with almost 30 million in 4th line forwards and 3rd pair defencemen. At least the Leafs no longer have bad contracts to move. The players making lots of good money are good players. It's a better problem to have than desperately needing to commit buyouts or move salary right now.

The bigger issue I think we need to find it is, are they good enough? Even if they move Nylander to add Parayko or Ekblad, they are still a top heavy team. Is that top good enough to win? That remains to be seen. If they're not, you blow it all up and start again. That's a crazy idea. You need to give this core more time and add to it to try and help them be successful. And if it ends up that they're not good enough, then they aren't. But I think you have what you have and you do your best from there.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 30, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
Thread: call me Dubas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>Well... for starters, let me say this. It isn't so much that I don't like the additions that you've made here. The contrary is actually true. I like the players that you have added.

I just don't see it as enough change to make a difference.

There is a larger problem that keeps getting pushed under the rug in most of these posts. The Leafs are spending 40 million dollars on four forwards. As much as I like the players, I believe that is a poor dispersal of financial resources.

I think that all of their salaries are for the most part reasonable dollar values. (Perhaps Marner is slightly overpaid but, that is another story for a day long since past IMO).

I think it would be in the team's best interest to trade one of those salaries to properly allocate finances better. (I know that is not a popular opinion and so be it).

Tavares has a no move. Matthews isn't going anywhere and after Dubas' comments about Marner, neither is he. Who does that leave?

I really, really like Nylander. So much so that, were it up to me, I'd rather trade Marner and use his 11 million dollars of cap space to shore up in other areas. We all know that isn't happening. So there does that leave us. Basically right here with what you have produced, or something similar, which to me, just isn't good enough. (Again, that is my opinion and I know it isn't a shared one for the most part).

I could go a lot deeper but, I'm not going to. Lets just say, that there isn't anything that terrible about what you have produced here, and agree to disagree as you have already said. YOu've gotta give something of quality to get something of quality and for the most part, what you have here just doesn't move the needle enough for me to believe that things will be any different.

Fair enough?

I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.</div></div>

fair enough, I can see where you're coming from. Pre-covid it looked like the cap was on a steady incline making the big 4s contracts look not so bad in years 3-5/6.

I'd love to see them do it with the big 4 but if they can't Marner should be the first to go. hopefully the return is close to fair and nothing like the AGM's on here where the leafs retain 1.5 mill and get a second liner and a 1st rounder in 2022.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 30, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
Thread: call me Dubas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>To me, this looks largely like the team that lost to CBJ in the play in round this year.

I like the idea of adding DeMelo but, I think that dollar value is low.

There simply isn't enough change here to make me believe that it is change for the better.

NO thanks.</div></div>

agree to disagree. Larsson plays hard competition in Buffalo with meh linemates and treds water, Fast is a hard forechecking player who can move up the lineup and compliment talent and is great on the pk. this replaces Kappy (bad defensively and allegedly bad off the ice, didn't mesh in the top 6) and Mango (I liked in the top 6, but 3.4 is hard to swallow in Toronto's situation, injury prone) with cheaper options who are better defensively and harder to play against.

I was real low on Barrie, he killed offence by taking too many low % shots, couldn't beat F1 on the breakout and was bad in his own end. Demelo is a great compliment to Reilly and rounds out the top 4. Also no more Ceci but Lehtonen is a wild card, could be better, but most likely a negligible difference

I think some growth will come internally (young stars, growth of Dermott and Sandin, Robertson lighting it up against other teams 4th lines) and better luck (better year from Freddy, shoot more the 2% 5v5 in round 1, less injuries, full year of Campbell and Keefe)

but the new additions will improve us defensively and as far as the 3rd line, there is more versatility and hard forecheckers. this makes us harder to target specific parts of our game in the playoffs and we still keep the top 6 that can matchup with any top 6 in the league.

I'd argue all 3 new additions make us harder to shutdown, and there is more room with goaltending, luck and internal growth to improve than decline. I'd like to know what you'd do differently
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 23, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 21, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.
Thread: TML 2020-2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>This has to be, with out a doubt, the best and most logical response that I have ever seen from a Carolina fan.

Thanks for posting!</div></div>

Yep. Every team wants to get the most for their players and pay as little as possible for another teams. It can just be pretty frustrating when your players don’t get as much attention as someone in Toronto so you then get tons of offers that are just inadequate. I feel most canes follow along that logic, but it just gets incredibly frustrating to get a ton of offers that are lowballs or don’t take into account anything that would also help the other side of the deal. Your offer was fair which I appreciate, it just isn’t one that would make sense for the canes imo. Good post tho because it really looks like you took into account both sides of the deals
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 21, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.
Thread: TML 2020-2021
The issue canes fan has isn’t that we overvalue players, the issue is it’s super annoying to see 100 deals of pesce for Anderson every day or 13 for Anderson. Canes fans due value pesce highly, me included, because he is a very good well liked player on a good contract. The canes simply have no reason to trade him unless it is to get a significant upgrade elsewhere.

The offer I gave isnt the worst I have seen but the canes likely would pass. Nylander is a great player and is exactly the kind of player the canes are looking for in the top 6. The issue is that while it upgrades the top 6 wing, it also downgrades 3 other positions. The canes have been looking for a 2c for awhile and trochek is hopefully the answer. If they moved him they have to find a center again. Foegele is a good young player who play a north south game and is a great ok guy. Anderson is an upgrade on Mrazek for sure but I’m not really sure how much. Ultimately the loss of pesce, trochek, foegele just probably isn’t worth Nylander and Anderson to the canes. I understand that the canes get a first as well but I just do not think it makes the canes a better team now
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 21, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 16, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
Thread: Parayko
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>Exactly my line of thinking.

I'm not sure why the Blues did what they did with acquiring and extending Faulk in the first place but, what's done is done. (Perhaps to pressure AP to re-sign at a lower AAV)??

I agree that keeping Payrako would be my preference too over Faulk but, It is what it is.

I think we are on the same page here.</div></div>

Yep. Unless there is the total wildcard chance of someone trading for Faulk this offseason *crosses fingers*.

If you look at a Blues roster with Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Faulk - aka Bozak and co. were moved to get the cap space for Petro - it puts someone on their off-side, essentially blocking Dunn from more ice time (again), or you leave Faulk at the 3RD making 6.5m, which is exactly what we avoided by trading Shattenkirk years ago. IMO the only way we're gonna get close to fair value out of Faulk's contract is to give him a full-time top 4 RD slot with a safe partner like Scandella... aka Parayko's spot. So you either sign AP and trade Parayko for a home run package, or you let Pietrangelo walk and run Parayko RD1 and Faulk RD2. Sucks but that's where we're at.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 16, 2020 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread: Parayko
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trevorchef</b></div><div>I would not do it as a Leafs fan.

If the Blues did not do it for Robertson + 1st 2020 + Liljegren they'd be foolish IMO.

It would basically solve all of their cap issues, allow them to re-sign AP, add a top six winger on an ELC for the next three years and a young RHD on an ELC for the next three years.

Steep price, but worth it for St. Louis who is already stacked on the right side of their D Core.

Anyone who says that offer I suggested here would not be enough for Parayko is out to lunch IMO.</div></div>

If we didn't have the anchor contract of Justin Faulk I'd disagree with you, but in terms of asset management, picking Petro over Parayko and getting 3 useful pieces that will likely all make their way into the lineup on ELCs, one of which has top-line potential, seems like a no-brainer. I'd only cry about losing Parayko for a little bit.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 16, 2020 at 12:01 p.m.
Thread: Nylander for Dumba
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsDynasty </b></div><div>He brings physical presence and is a great leader. He got a shot but ins't horrible at defending</div></div>

He throws about the same amount of hits per game as Dermott, and is 185 lbs. Let's not pretend the Leafs are getting Scott Stevens here.

He is pretty bad at defending, he's been paired with Brodin (one of the top defensive dmen in the league) for last few years, and still struggles in his own end. Minny rarely uses him on the PK if everyone is healthy (same way teams use Barrie, Gardiner, etc.)

Him plus Rielly would pretty well work out the same way as pairing Rielly with Barrie.

There is way cheaper/better/easier ways to get good leadership. Sign Wayne Simmonds (loved by teammates and in each community he's played) for less than $2M. Done.