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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 5:50 p.m.
Thread: Wishful Thinking
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>graderman</b></div><div>With an eye on the future, I really wouldn't expect the Hawks to sign either Gustafsson or Brassard. They are just pending free agent bodies in this case. Leddy had been on the top pair with the Isles im the past and certainly still has a flair for the dramatic -- one man rush ability! He would be an offensive update to Keith at this juncture, imo. Why not take this chance? They have nothing to lose.</div></div>

Yeah, I mean i'd probably do it for Leddy plus a 1st maybe. I wouldn't trade for a veteran rental with no plans to resign him unless we were taking the cap hit in exchange for us getting some assets back. And Leddys cap hit for his stats isnt too attractive, so the excess value from Saad + Gus = their late first if they are seriously contending for a cup this year. Idk, I just don't see the Isles as a good fit for Saad in general, but Gus probably fits what theyre looking for right now.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
Thread: Go For It
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>graderman</b></div><div>If we really want to be depressed, my friend, after the '15 Cup had the Hawks signed Saad to a more appropriate cap hit, they would have had him on the Toews line along with Panarin on the Kane line. I was hoping for a $3-4M aav deal that summer for the Manchild which was a going rate for his type of player. How things may have been different for a couple of more yrars, hey?!</div></div>

Yeah for sure, but at the same time, agents are not only looking at the current market rate but future rates to negotiate a deal and we all know how bad bowman is at negotiating. Today's Saad's value is about $5M which is why I think the hawks should retain $1M to maxmize his trade value if they decide to trade him this year.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 3:12 p.m.
Thread: Go For It
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>You don't have a clue about what kind of player Saad is. He's a defensive power forward that excels in possession; these players ARE NOT common especially when they score 20+ goals and 45 to 55 points. Fans that have never played the game at a high level look at goals/points to judge a player; a totally wrong approach with any players outside of dynamic scoring wingers.

And you're right, Chicago is not retaining 50% or anything more then $1M....because they don't need to as plenty of teams would love to have Saad on their top 6...especially playoff teams.</div></div>

ChiHawk. You are absolutely correct on the player assessment. The other guy, wrong as usual on everything. Saad would be the perfect winger for Crosby alongside Guentzel. Saad is a 5v5 beast and plays a Crosby style of game. He may only be a 20 goal scorer but the "homers" in Pgh seem to forget that the beloved Dupuis and Kunitz were also only 20 goal scorers with a couple rare 20+ goal seasons. and that was from benefiting from playing w 87. I would bet to see Saad getting close to the 30 goal range playing with 87 n 59. He is for sure affordable if they can move Bjugstad and/or let Galchenyuk walk this summer and if they choose to also let Shultz test free agency. I would resign Shultz if he would take a lesser financial deal as he's missed so many games due to injury. Then again, with the emergence of Marino, Shultz might not be needed and they could find a bargain for the 3rd pairing RD spot.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.
Thread: Go For It
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>the penguins future cap structure doesn't have room for a 6 million dollar winger who can only net 20 goals.
They got way to many guys on the team that are already better players. You put him on the LW, but lets be honest.
Is he a better LW than Jake. Nope. Is he a better LW than McCann.....nope.
So do you really think they are going to give up 6 million for a guy who is the 3rd best LW on the team.

No they aren't.
Now if Chicago swallows 50% of the contract we can have a more reasonable discussion about it. But what isn't going to happen, is the penguins aren't going to give up a ton for a 20 goal winger considering they are kind of common and the asking price for them on the open market is roughly 3.5-4 million a year.</div></div>

You don't have a clue about what kind of player Saad is. He's a defensive power forward that excels in possession; these players ARE NOT common especially when they score 20+ goals and 45 to 55 points. Fans that have never played the game at a high level look at goals/points to judge a player; a totally wrong approach with any players outside of dynamic scoring wingers.

And you're right, Chicago is not retaining 50% or anything more then $1M....because they don't need to as plenty of teams would love to have Saad on their top 6...especially playoff teams.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 15, 2019 at 5:03 p.m.
Thread: Gutting the team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>graderman</b></div><div>I hear ya, pal, when you have to try and justify trades to appease your audience. I think Winterpeg may be more interested in Keith (with perhaps up to half retained by the hawks). I highly doubt Vegas, or any other team, gives up a 1st for Gus, TBH. I agree as things currently stand, Toews (and Kaner) may opt to leave this sh:t show. I do not see Chicago going anywhere anytime soon unless Rocky sells the team. Therefore, they may as well start a real rebuild by gutting the entire group.</div></div>

I mention Gus to VGK as I’ve seen multiple articles state how he would fit well with Schmidt and Gus provides a unique skill set as a PP QB and offensive Dman. VGK offense is potent and he could produce well there. I only mention a first because it’s wishful thinking but he has that unique skill set so Bowman might be able to get a willing GM. I’ve seen a lot of others suggest straight up 1st or a combo of lower picks such and 2nd and 3rd.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 15, 2019 at 11:55 a.m.
Thread: I dare you
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>They won 3 cups with this core. Were you complaining when they made the moves to win those cups? They suck now but made moves then to win cups. Chill the f out and just be happy you have 3 cups in this decade. Some people have short term memories and need to have perspective. How many teams have 3 cups in the last 30 years let alone the last 10</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>Dude we have one cup and we trade forsberg for erat. Dumped a 1st and Sanford for Shatt. That first round pick ended up being Morgan frost. Go back in time we selected Eric fehr over GETZLAF. I mean every single team has made terrible moves but not every team wins 3 cups with a core. Without seabrook you might have 1 cup instead of 3. Yeah it sucks he has this deal but remember that he was a huge part of you winning. Honestly toews is grossly overpaid. Dude is worth at most 8 million but people tend to only focus on seabrook. Kane is worth every dollar. Either way it’s frustrating but understand it’s a process and not everything happens over night. At least bayou have something to show for it. Look at ranger fans or and Canadian team. Most people would trade 5 years or struggles w 3 cups. Maybe seabrook will get a skin infection who knows</div></div>

The problem isn't about being grateful, it's about being lied to.

If this team would openly announce that they are rebuilding then there would be much less complaining than there is now. Yes, we won three cups, thats great... but the fact of the matter is that management is trying to squeeze something that is not there out of the current group.

All of the moves they made this offseason have been present-centered this year type moves. THIS IS NOT A TEAM THAT CAN WIN THIS YEAR!

We should not have to deal with incompetence just because we had a great decade. Trust me we have enough incompetence in Chicago sports without the Blackhawks adding to that.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 15, 2019 at 11:28 a.m.
Thread: I dare you
<a href="/users/HatterTParty" target="_blank">@HatterTParty</a> You should want the cup. That's the goal. The goal is NOT making the playoffs. We can have different view points and I believe some is this is how you're feeling about the historic meltdown yesterday, but how can you defend that trading for DeHaan was bad?!?! NEITHER Forsberg or Forsling are good. DeHaan was playing the #1LD role when he got hurt. He's exactly what this team needed. I hate that he got hurt. Sometimes injury bugs happen. Kimmo was 100% a Coach Q trade. Leddy was 100% a Coach Q trade. Q didn't play ANY of the young Dmen. Not Leddy, Not TVR, Not Gus. Every years there are teams that trade 1st round picks because they want to win the cup. I'm ok with a GM trading a 1st round pick if they genuinely believe they can win the Cup. That's the goal. Kubalik for a 5th? Good trade. Dach's 18 and it's not like Kaapo or Hughes are tearing it up either.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 11, 2019 at 10:30 p.m.
Thread: Bowen Byram HYPOTHETICAL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>Well Chicago obviously agreed.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>I'll take Turcotte any day over Dach.</div></div>

I think the problem is that Chicago was in a far different spot than Colorado. Colorado had a position where if they got dach, he’d be a perfect, fully sheltered 3C behind mackinnon and kadri. I do think they would have had the sense sent him back to the W, but who knows.

However, in Chicago’s case, desperation drove the decision more than logic. I will say, I truly believe that turcotte has a far higher ceiling than dach. Turcotte could average 80+ points a year and be a energetic two way dynamo once at his peak. However, dach getting 60 a year and being passable as a two way center would be enough for me. Having said that, Chicago panicked and took what was ready now versus what was best for the future. I don’t really understand what Colorado’s interest in dach was in all honesty, since they already have the landeskog-rantanen archetype filled up. However, the second that Chicago took him, everyone knew (or should have known) that it was meant to be a fix now with a lower ceiling versus taking the time to have a truly elite player in turcotte. I hate the choice as a hawks fan, but I do have to live with it, and have to deal with turcotte on the kings and byram on the Avs. Yea, it’s a bad future for Chicago.