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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 4 at 1:30 p.m.
Thread: Next year no Lotto
No thanks on the Isles trade. The difference between #13 and #21 is the #41 pick on the soundofhockey pick value chart. In no world do I take on TWO years of about to turn 34 and coming off a 37 point paced season (hasn't been North of 60 pts in 7 seasons....the kind of production you expect out of 7 million in cap) for just the #41 pick. I realize Lee's 2 remaining years prevents the Hawks from doing nothing, but at some point you make deals based on fair value which this is not. If we are doing a deal around Lee and the #13, I would package Hawks 2nd #34OA and negotiate on which LHD prospect the Isles want (among Phillips, Del Mastro, Allen, or Kaiser) and consider maybe another pick depending on which specific LHD prospect gets settled on. As others have stated already, the LHD prospects eventually don't have a place to play if they all work out and picking which one's will and moving the rest of the depth while there is value would be ideal.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15 at 2:09 p.m.
Thread: Rinzel
RHD is by far the thinest part of the Hawks prospect pool with Rinzel the only guy of note at this point that has any chance of more than a bottom pair filler. Barring the Hawks diving into the UFA market for a guy like Pesce or Montour and even then probably having to take a RHD with their own 1st, I don't see any reason the Hawks would give up on Rinzel as his development has been exactly what you hoped for when they took a bit of a flier on his raw skill package 2 drafts ago. At a minimum, there would need to be something WAY more compelling than another pick in the middle of the first which at this point kicks the can down the road 2 years further from getting a guy that can help in the NHL which at some point is the reason you start a rebuild. The conversation would need to start with that 1st & Spacek and again that probably only gets listened to if they have taken Levshunov at 2,3, or 4 if they don't luck into Celebrini.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 24 at 5:37 p.m.
Thread: trade
Don't think the Hawks are looking to move Kurashev and would need to be compelled to consider it as he has looked pretty good this season. At a minimum, Bains would be of more interest than Sasson.

My counteroffer would be Kurashev, Isaak Phillips, Collin Blackwell (50% retained) & LA Kings '24 2nd for Bruzstewicz, Bains, & Vancouver's 24 1st. Phillips is a prospect that simply gets overwhelmed by the Hawks depth of choices at LHD with the Canucks pretty thin on that side. Blackwell retained is a cheap depth piece that is likely a better option than some of the kids playing in the bottom of the lineup currently. Moving up 19 (currently) spots in the draft is probably the type of compelling thing that would get the Hawks actually considering moving Kurashev. The prospects orginally proposed (or even subbing Bains) have pretty long odds to ever be even as much as Kurashev is presently.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12 at 12:19 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12 at 12:10 p.m.
Thread: The current bottom 6 is unacceptable
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>The Hawks are really thin on RD. End of statement. Jones is the worst contract in the game. Murphy is only good because he's the best defensive defenceman on a team that has none. Including Murphy who isn't very good.</div></div>

Huberdeau (you know the guy that put up 55 points last season, is on pace for 45 this year and is owed 10.5 per for 7 more years) says hello. Jones is overpaid 1-2 million which if the cap goes up significantly as projected the next couple of Summers won't mean much as new contracts for as much or more become the norm. RHD that can eat 25 minutes a game have value. Jones at 8 million per is a player/contract most of teams in the league would love to have. Jones and Murphy are far from the best top pairing or middle pair RHD respectively in the league, but they are far from the worst even if Jones is a bit overpaid. In fairness to both, no RHD is going to look good with a team built to contend for winning the lottery where the best LHD last season was McCabe (for 3/4ers of the year) and this season is a revolving door of kids under 22 or in the case of Korchinski still a teenager.

You personally don't want Murphy....I get it. If you don't think adding Murphy as opposed to rolling Brodie, McCabe, and Liljegren with Benoit playing 18 minutes a night as a bandaid 2nd pairing wouldn't help, I don't know what to tell you other than good luck with that D core in the playoffs and you better hope the Leafs find someone. Murphy (or someone) slides McCabe back to strengthen the LHD and slide Benoit down the lineup to the 14-15 minutes he should be playing.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12 at 10:58 a.m.
Thread: The current bottom 6 is unacceptable
Hawks would do that, but I think something expanded a little bigger might make more sense for both sides. Hawks are really thin at RHD after Jones. At a minimum, think the Hawks would want Timmins added in (otherwise they are likely needing to trade or sign 2 RHD next Summer). I think something adding Liljegren or Niemela with the Hawks having a mass of LHD prospects (all of which eventually won't have a spot in the lineup) to offer as a chip, or retention on Murphy's deal, or more 2nd/3rd round picks then they probably want to use.

Counteroffer Murphy &amp; Isaac Phillips for '24 1st and Niemela.
Hawks get the 1st they probably need to consider move Murphy (otherwise they hang on to him to mentor the young LHD coming through and be a vet leader in general). Hawks use a position of prospect strength (LHD) to fill a weakness (RHD). Leafs get a middle pairing RHD that paired well with McCabe and move a prospect that with Murphy, Liljegren, and Timmins in place really doesn't have a spot in the NHL for a couple of seasons.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 8 at 11:25 a.m.
Thread: Rebuild slow transition
Unless the Hawks get a 2nd, I don't see the Hawks retaining to move Dickinson. Pretty sure someone will pay a 2nd if the Hawks haven't extended him before the deadline.

Why bother eating money on AA to get a late 3rd 3 drafts out? Hawks need NHL level player (a lot to begin with) and might as well let AA play to the TDL next year.

Kurashev has been one of the bright spots up front this season and I can't see moving him for a pick in the late 50's 2 drafts from now helping either in the present or future more than just keeping Kurashev and devloping him.

You would have to add something of value to get Colorado to consider moving a 1st for that package....like a 2nd.

Entwhistle is an AHL player on a good (or even mediocre) team....as in you would be lucky to get a 7th.

Stephenson gets some term (like 4-5 years) and signifcantly more salary like 5-6 per coming off 3 straight seasons of 60+ point pace, monster in the playoffs, and has such a well rounded game. He is not going to sign a prove it deal with a bottom feeder when he has already proven it for 3 straight seasons.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 6 at 12:22 p.m.
Thread: If we arent rushing the rebuild why cant we keep taking on bad contracts
I would tweak both trades a bit. I would not include the Ott 3rd....Campbell contract is really bad like sniffing 2 1st on it's own bad and odds w/ McDavid is neither are going to be all that early and Mrazek has had a really good season and has some sort of value too. I would maybe throw in the NYR 4th in '25 and would consider making the '25 1st the '26

Toronto deal needs to be expanded to include a RHD going back to Chicago....think both teams would want that to some extent. Liljegren, Timmins, or Niemela would be the most interesting and the Hawks could probably send a young LHD back (as not all of Phillips/DelMastro/Allen/Kaiser will have a path to the NHL (especially with Vlassic looking solid this year in the NHL and Korchinski likely to grab another LHD NHL roster spot.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 5 at 7:35 p.m.
Thread: Stockpiling D
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Just to clarify, this team is for next season, not this one, so the Hawks current injury issues don't play into it. In a deal for Murphy, even without retention, Krebs and Clifton are throw ins at best value wise to the Hawks. Krebs by your own description is a "flyer" guy. Clifton is a downgrade to Murphy no matter how you want to look at it. Is that really a smart move? Neither guy is more than a short term, fill in piece. A Murphy trade has to be for futures that push the rebuild forward, or you don't make the trade. That 2nd and one of Buffalo's good young F prospects? That makes way more sense. Multiple picks? That makes more sense. This offer is selling really low on Murphy IMO.</div></div>

I'll confess I am not a big believer of Murphy as a future piece (at all) and while he may be a decent bridge piece to try to transition some of the young D the next couple of seasons, I don't even view him as that great of a piece there. I would view Krebs as more of a potential piece going forward then guys like Katchouk, TRad, Reese Johnson, Entwistle, Guttman, and Joey Anderson who likely have roster spots next year (until proven otherwise). If you are counting on Hall or Athanasiou being healthy for a full season, you'll be disappointed based on recent history. Whatever recent prospects/picks turn pro....I would much rather they percolate in Rockford then having spots in Chicago by default. Call me crazy, but I would not mind taking a run at Pesce or Montour if they get to UFA.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 5 at 5:38 p.m.
Thread: Stockpiling D
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Just curious what you think would appeal to KD in that package for Murphy? The 3rd pair RD, the bottom 6 F or the pick?</div></div>

With no retention, I think this is a pretty solid package....more quantity than quality....but fair. The pick is #38OA currently. Krebs is closing in on 23 so it is fair to suspect he is what he is at this point. I would not mind taking a flier on him and feeding him some middle 6 minutes to see if maybe he could be more though (he is an actuall NHL player which late 1st/2nds just as likely are not as good as what he is and certainly upgrades the bottom of this putrid roster of forwards which was not good even before the injury bug). At the least, the Hawks are rolling out some serious garbage at forward and he would add some depth and talent. Clifton give you a vet guy 2 years younger, way more playoff experience, 1.1 million per cheaper, and probably plenty good enough to pair with our LHD kids.

At some point retaining on Murphy, what would you think the best case return might be? Late first and a 2nd similar to McCabe where you had to include Lafferty (which is not much, but still something). Late 1st + late 2nd &lt; an early 2nd &amp; Krebs for me. That also give you a chip that is you truely want a late first you have 4 2nds to package up.