pretty fair deals IMO. glad you didnt under value kessel like so many people on this site. I would LOVEEE a panarin for kessel trade but I dont think it makes sense due to contract extension (panarin would cost significantly more) and trading within the division

The deals are fair, I just don’t think we trade Panarin in division..... also Kessel would be moved as soon as the deal was announced.

Thanks dude... but yah i agree, Torts and Kessel together on the bench .... would be must watch TV tho lol.

yah i just said Torts and Kessel on bench together would be must watch TV tho, lol.

I like these all, seem fair for a 92point RWer.

NSH would probably be interested if they know they can't resign Ellis. That seems like a hefty price for CAR to pay though. Torts and Phil would most likely result in CBJ games being aired on MTV lol

Only one that makes sense is VGK. CAR gives a hell no. You wouldn't get #2 overall pick or Slavin just by themselves for Kessel, let alone both. CBJ might be stupid enough to do that, but Panarin is way better than Kessel. I can maybe see NSH deal working if it's a Ellis for Kessel direct swap, nothing else added though.

The preferred deal IMO is with Nashville for Ellis, especially because it would significantly improve the defense and allow them to move Letang next summer, but I think Nashville would want a one for one.

no way on the panarin one, why would the pens give up the higher draft pick anyway? not to mention trading within division. Worst one out of the 4 imo although it would be nice to have panarin the deal not only is unlikely with a division foe its gotta be more favorable than that.

the Nashville one makes sense(most out of the 4) but instead of ruhwedel insert hunwick, also not sure why the center in return but not that familiar with him to know if he could play wing(or if its a capfriendly error listing somebody as a center who really plays wing)

also could see the Carolina one possibly with adjustments since they need a goalie, jarry would be a great target for them. However not sure where their direction is going(competiting and spending more or not)

if Carolina would send slavin to the penguins for kessel the penguins should be the ones saying no, kessel is better than any of the players you named in any of those deals. Although agreed most of them don't make sense.

Kessel is great but he's 30 and only going to get worse. Slavin might not be as good value wise but his age and position makes him more important. Same with Ellis. Panarin is definitely much better than Kessel.

all 3 of them are worse than kessel this coming season(not worried about when kessel is 34), panarin is the closest but he is slightly worse AND not signed beyond this year. If it was panarin on a bargain contract for kessel than it would be a tougher decision but right now if I was GMJR I laugh and hang up the phone if somebody wanted that straight up. Ellis is also not signed beyond this year and worse than panarin so that even though its a more important position it would be even worse of a deal straight up.

Don't think you realize just how dominant Panarin is. He's a top 5 player in the NHL, not just winger.

https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1009202500644335623

He's so much better than Kessel.

https://public.tableau.com/shared/2M7NCNCN7?:display_count=yes

yup, no way I would trade a Kessel with term at a favorable cap hit for Panarin with no term and expecting a huge pay day. Forget that.
Panarin's value is about half of whatever anyone thinks it is. They will be lucky to get a decent player back for him. Chicago knew that, that's why they sent him away for Saad

no one is arguing that Panarin isn't a good player. If he's better than kessel that has yet to be proven.

The point is, he's a head case in the making. He doesn't want to sign an extension. He wants to go to the open market and let people bid his contract up and go where the money is or whatever. No GM wants in on that deal. You don't get involved in that kind of mess if you don't have too. You only get involved if you can use him for 1 year for a cup run and it doesn't really cost you much.

CBJ return on him will be minimal.

top 5? lol on the pens he would be third at best(like kessel is right now, third best even though on many teams he would be the 1st or 2nd best). I find it hard to believe there isn't 3 people better than him on the other 30 teams.

Here lets put his "theory" in a thought experiment.

1. Crosby
2. McDavid
3. Karlsson
I'm pretty sure those top 3 are the top 3 in what ever order you want to put them in. We can have a discussion on the last 2 but really it's most likely
4. Kucherov
5 Malkin

so yeah, top 5 not so much

lmdo, dude is u nuts bro.... with the Panarin is way better than Kessel ???

I would love to see the Panarin trade as well. Anything is possible.

So any player that wants to go to UFA to get their worth is a headcase? That's like all players haha just because he MIGHT (he could still easily resign with CBJ) want to test free agency has nothing to do with his character. And any trade I'd assume will be accompanied by an extension.

He'd be 2nd on PIT.

I'd take Panarin over current Malkin. Now if we're talking Malkin in his prime then definitely Malkin.

You know a contract problem when you see it. Most players gladly go into talks about a contract at a fair value. It helps them in case they get hurt in the next season. How many times do you see players sign before the contract is up. Everyone does it. From Tom Brady, Steph Curry you name it. The only time they don't do it, is when they are one foot out the door. So yes, he's a head case. There is no doubt he would get his market value in an extension. He simply doesn't want to be there.

yes clearly finishing 4th in points with 98 he's clearly in the decline. Where did Panarin finish....oh that's right, not even close to that.....not even in the top 10 he finished 20th.
Clearly a top 5 player LOL
I mean honestly, you must be his agent or high.

3 players on the Pens finished with more points than Panariin.
4th at best.