Honestly not bad at all. I’d definitely consider this if I were either team.

Question for BOTH COL and TOR. What if it were the 2019 OTT 1st round pick straight up? It's a gamble, but would definitely help out the cap issues for TOR and COL gets MUCH better today.

If Avs pay Nylander 7.5, what should Rantanen expect? Really IMO 7.5m if too high for Nylander, and one reason he hasn't been traded.

Conditions on the picks seem to be backwards... I dont’t believe that Barrie is the type of defender we need and I am a really big fan of ozhiganov. That being said the trade value is certainly there but I would lose the picks.

Well unfortunately every Colorado fan has already concluded that the pick is a holding place for jack Hughes and the only deal they would take is Austin Matthews and a 1st.... as ridiculous as that sounds.

At best, theyd have an 18.5% chance at Hughes not that great.

You are kidding right? Andrighetto is a no body, Barrie is pretty good but he's far from an elite defenceman. This sending an elite offensive player for a good but not great defenceman and a depth guy and we are giving up a decent defender as well. This is a bad trade from top to bottom.

Nylander alone would be worth this package and it should include a 1st rounder as well. Barrie isn't even the top guy on his team, its Johnson.

Every fan on here, "We'll trade you our 2nd pairing defenceman who is right handed for Nylander. Its fair because we desperately want Nylander and someone said that every right handed defenceman is a top pairing guy in TO."

If you aren't a top pairing player on your team, are you really an upgrade in TO? Over Hainsey yes, but literally anyone on the Leafs roster is better than Hainsey and I think Babs is going to relegate Hainsey down the lineup before too long.

That will not happen but I imagine TO would have to contemplate that, it would help extend their window of contention. Let's be honest, Ottawa is not going to have a good year, especially once they trade Stone and Duchene, so at worse the pick will be top 5-8, there should be decent prospects around that time.

That being said, would Colorado risk missing out on Hughes? I wouldn't if I were them.

No thanks. I hope to the Gods that the Avs don't even contemplate it!

Yeah you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Ask any Avs fan how good Barrie is.

Nope, not moving that pick. Would rather a crack at have Hughes or land a Kakko, Dach etc with a Top 5 pick then Nylander and having to pay him 6-8m a season. Get the high end talent on the ELC so it keeps the Avs "Window" open much longer

He's good, but he's over valued because he shoots right handed. So many fans are caught up in the we need a right handed guy. The age difference alone makes the trade bad. Players play their best hockey between the ages of 23-29, statistically speaking. Barrie is 27 turning 28, so its likely his best hockey is behind him. He'll still be a good player for a number of years yet but once you hit 30, players get riskier and riskier. Just look at Hainsey so far this year (I am including the preason), he looks like he lost a few steps this summer. That can happen any year after a player hits 30 years old, injuries take longer to recover from, your jump starts leaving you and sometimes its rapid. For every Marleau in the league, there are dozens of Corey Perry's, getting old sucks.

So with all that in mind, we are trading the best player in the proposal (Nylander) who is 22. That means we are trading a guy who scored back to back 61 point seasons, and is still a couple years away from when we can expect him to really hit his stride, for a guy who has already hit his stride and in all likelihood will only get worse over his time in TO.

Age difference should be as important as salary when it comes to trades. But most fans like seeing flash and dash and want it all now and just refuse to see or even look at the bigger picture.

If you want a perennial contender, you have to plan for the next decade, not just now and the next season.

Far smarter moves can be made that will not affect the future and still provide stability to the blue line.

We can argue if it’s fair value all we want. But the fact is, Barrie will (1.) be cheaper and way more friendly to the cap, and (2.) a young top pairing RHD is something we need far more than a RW, with Kapanen looking like he can score 40 points this year I really think a top RHD makes us legit cup contenders.

Tyson Barrie will be UFA after next season and how much do you think he'll command as a right handed defenceman who scores between 40-55 points a season? Plus he'll be 30. You are talking about cost savings and better cap hits, but you are looking at only right now. So trade a 22 year old who has the potential to be a point a game player for a 28 year old defenceman who will be commanding over 7 million in 2 years. Nylander at 7 million for the next 8 years has far more value than Barrie at almost any price over the same time period.

Check out the proposal with Vancouver I posted a short time ago. Way less costly and allows for greater cap flexibility without reducing the offence.

thats a fat lie and you know it. Stop being so dramatic. Its not a guaranteed hughes but why would they move it when they can roll the DIce, get a top 5 pick player potenitally on a ELC to inject talent into their line up for 925k for 3 years vs trading it away, having to sign Nylander, Rantanen, jost, Compher, Kerfoot, Zadorov, and Girard to extensions in the next 2 years, and start to get themselves into Roster cap issues.

7m player or a 925k who could end up having the same 60+ point production. I think Ill take the gamble on the 925k ELC. The pick could always end being out of Top 5 or a bust but its still too tempting of a pick to hold onto and roll the dice to be franchise altering

By the way Ottawa for 2019 Stanley Cup

ok? Is that suppose to be some sort of burn?

Sens should’ve just given you Zadina and fully committed to the tank..

I 100% agree with that. I am shocked that they didnt give up the 4th which the Avs would have taken Zadina. The fact they have this hanging over them all season long after "committing" to a rebuild in September before the season starts is a wild move

I'm shocked that they moved Karlsson so soon after the decision as well. If I'm Ottawa making the choice to send the 2019 1st, I'd probably hold on to Karlsson and move him at the deadline versus now. At least then there's a chance that they end up sending a 10-15 range pick and not a top 5 pick

On average defenders are signed for less money and it looks like Nylander is asking for 8+ which is absolutely absurd. Anyway, I'm not suggesting we trade Nylander straight up for Barrie given the age gap, but I did say this deal is close to something I would consider. Upon consideration perhaps Toronto would ask for further adds from Colorado, but I don't see this deal as to far off.

Colorado is not trading Barrie and picks for Nylander all so they can overpay him. They have to pay Rantanan first.. He is the 84pt winger they already have.. No reason to overpay a 60 pt winger first.