Pretty accurate

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So by actually knowing player values he is a troll? And I’m not just talking about nylander either. He seems to have a pretty good grasp of player values across the league.

Funny how everyone shits on Holl for larsson but it’s a fair deal for Toronto.... mind boggling.

I also love the irony of you trolling him about trolling.

Bad Nylander trade for Toronto imo. He should only be traded for McDavid and even then EDM would have to add.

Yup.

Mcdavid 50% retained, draisaitl 50% retained, the next 4 firsts and a good d man too. Toronto may consider that offer.

A guy says Pesce isn't equal to Nylander and this is the response. LOL

A guy says Pesce isn't worth Nylander and I am trolling. So is trolling now just having a difference of opinions and attempting to have a logical and reasonable conversation about said subject?

This isn't even a troll on me LOL. I said Pesce isn't as good as Nylander and then a guy posts this? This is what just happened.

Child says I want to trade this 5 dollar bill for your 20 dollar bill.

The adult says "no, because a 20 dollar bill is worth more than a 5 dollar bill"

Child

I hate you and I am going to tell the entire world how stupid you are for not accepting my fantasy as reality!

Adult, $5 is still worth less than $20, but way to make yourself look petty and ridiculous.

Triggered much?

Except you cant compare. They are both judged differently. Pesce is an apple and Nylander is an orange. The apple are on sale for $4.5/kg while the oranges are pretty expensive and $7.5/kg. Mind you, for what im getting, id rather have the apples, they are more valuable.

I'm laughing my behind off. This is hilarious.

The problem with that anology though, is that these are all hockey players in the same league. Its more like saying one is a Spartan apple and the other a McIntosh.

Here is the weirdest part of all of this, I have asked so many people what is a fair contract for Pesce and I either get no answer or I am told that around 4 million is a perfect contract for Pesce. So now we have a hockey player worth 4 million dollars and a hockey player worth 6.5 million. Those are not equal. So how in a trade does it make sense?

Player A = 4
Player B = 6.5

Those aren't equal numbers, so they shouldn't be traded for each other as equals.

Then this post is created. LOL

A Nylander for Pesce trade is like trading a young Kessel for a yound Stralman. Not good, but maybe decent.

Except Pesce has more value than Nylander at the moment so this analogy doesn't work.

That's a terrible trade! One has been in the top 20 of scoring for much of his career and the other is a very good defensive defenceman.

Explain to me this rational, because it is a complete mystery to me.

Kessel for Strahlman is the trade you just mentioned.

Kessel is a player who was given close to 8 million dollars because he was an elite offensive player.

Strahlman has never earned more than 5 I believe, because he's a defensive defenceman who is worth no more than 5 million.

Why would a GM pay a guy 8 million and then trade him for a 5 million dollar player only because he plays a different position? If they are equal, why did Strahlman never make remotely close to the money as Kessel?

Now before you get all hot under the collar and start making a new post to troll me, stop and just think about this for a second.

I'll draw this out using cars and trucks, they are both automobiles but have different purposes.

I have a Corvette and you have a Ford F150.

The Corvette is fast and offensively gifted and worth 6.5 million dollars.

The Ford F150 is big strong and great at defensive stuff and worth about 4 million dollars.

Lets say for whatever reason I am discussing trading my Corvette, why would I ever trade it for the truck straight up? They are not equal?

So tell me how it makes sense that Pesce is worth more than Nylander in a trade but less when it comes to how much he should be paid?

He has more value but contractually is worth less. Explain the logic in that.

Salary =/= skill. Pesce signed before he really broke out last year, if he was on on the market today he would fetch probably around what Nylander is projected to make.

I said it was a bad trade lol. Trading an offensive dynamo like Nylander for a DFD is almost never a good idea.

A 20 point defenceman would fetch 6.5 - 7 million dollars? What idiot of a GM would do that? This is just ridiculous. No one would give Pesce 7 million dollars. He's not a #1 Stud defenceman, which are the only defenceman who make that much money.

Its like me disgreeing about Pesce's value has some sort of incredible hulk effect. The angrier you get with me saying Nylander is worth more than Pesce, the larger and stronger he gets in your imagination. Soon Pesce is going to be the best defenceman every, be 14 feet tall, weigh 600 lbs and skate faster than the eye can see.

So then you are agreeing with me? This whole post was authored to make me look unreasonable. Sounds like this guy is agreeing with me.

I agree with your logic in regards to trading Nylander for a DFD being bad, yes.

I don't like the money argument. Players get paid based on precedents that are defined in the market. The players that are paid the most aren't by definition the most valuable players. The main driver of salary happens to be point production, which obviously is going to be greater for a scoring winger than a defensive defenseman. No GM is going to pay a shut-down guy a boatload more than his peers. This is without mentioning the fact that some GMs are dumb when they sign guys... the money isn't a reliable way to compare IMO.

Now, none of that says that a guy like Pesce is as valuable as Nylander. In fact, when I looked up the Wins Above Replacement stats, Nylander is worth much more, if you believe in that sort of "one-size-fits-all" stat.

It doesn't. A trade involving Pesce would have to include McGinn or Foegele and maybe a pick if Dubas didn't pull the trigger.