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Lets toy with Nylander getting his money

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Just checking out how the payroll will work out. It would come with some roster casualties but it also gives you enough leeway during the regular season to add at the deadline to reinforce what will be a young and perhaps mistake prone defence.
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Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:41 p.m.
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- Matthews is going to want at the very least, the same as McJesus - $12.5-$13.5
- Marner > JT = MORE MONEY $11-$12
- Kappi keeps up pace = $3-$3.75
Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Sidstick87
- Matthews is going to want at the very least, the same as McJesus - $12.5-$13.5
- Marner > JT = MORE MONEY $11-$12
- Kappi keeps up pace = $3-$3.75


Slow your roll chief, McDavid is the best player in the game, no one will get his money for a few years yet. Matthews will get 12 tops, Marner is a winger so his impact is smaller than Tavares so 9 million is about what he'll get. Kap will see his icetime fall once Matthews and Nylander are back and will sign a 1 year show me deal and hope to cash in after Marleau is gone. If he wants over 3 now, he'll probably get traded.
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Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:50 p.m.
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Slow your roll chief, McDavid is the best player in the game, no one will get his money for a few years yet. Matthews will get 12 tops, Marner is a winger so his impact is smaller than Tavares so 9 million is about what he'll get. Kap will see his icetime fall once Matthews and Nylander are back and will sign a 1 year show me deal and hope to cash in after Marleau is gone. If he wants over 3 now, he'll probably get traded.


at the rate he is going. I think Marner's cap hit starts with a "10". As for Matthews, I'm thinking he signs for the same as McDavid or slightly more as the cap has gone up since McDavid signed. To be clear, I'm not saying Matthews is better than McDavid, I am saying I think he signs for the same or slightly more.
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Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:54 p.m.
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- Matthews is going to want at the very least, the same as McJesus - $12.5-$13.5
- Marner > JT = MORE MONEY $11-$12
- Kappi keeps up pace = $3-$3.75


You have got to be trolling right now. Players dont just get a blank cheque. Matthews will be pushed to take about 11 mil (which is plenty for a now somewhat injury prone player), Marner is in the exact stat categories as Gaudreau was when he signed his deal at 6.75 which is inflated to about 7.5 right now. Also on Marner theres no way on earth he is getting more than Draisaitl. Plus Kapanen has absolutely negative leverage and will take what he is given or he will be traded.
I have no clue if it is the young generation of hockey fans or if it is just the whole fans in general but the way people just over look facts these days is mind blowing. To me just because Marner is playing with Tavares who is obviously going to inflate his stats a big does not get him reason to ask for more money. These are RRRRRR-FFFFF-AAAAAA players and are not at the point in their careers where they can leverage the max amount of money. Its just called business
Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:56 p.m.
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Slow your roll chief, McDavid is the best player in the game, no one will get his money for a few years yet. Matthews will get 12 tops, Marner is a winger so his impact is smaller than Tavares so 9 million is about what he'll get. Kap will see his icetime fall once Matthews and Nylander are back and will sign a 1 year show me deal and hope to cash in after Marleau is gone. If he wants over 3 now, he'll probably get traded.


IDK Senior Cheif, These boys want paid as u kno with Nylander hold out.... But hey good luck with hoping they take less bc Marner and Kane is the comparison to go from and Kane at $10.5 when he signed is now $11-$11.5
Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:57 p.m.
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at the rate he is going. I think Marner's cap hit starts with a "10". As for Matthews, I'm thinking he signs for the same as McDavid or slightly more as the cap has gone up since McDavid signed. To be clear, I'm not saying Matthews is better than McDavid, I am saying I think he signs for the same or slightly more.


But there is not reason to think that, Mcdavid won a scoring title, Hart, and the Ted Lindsay before he signed that deal. Matthews is nowhere close to that right now
Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:58 p.m.
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You have got to be trolling right now. Players dont just get a blank cheque. Matthews will be pushed to take about 11 mil (which is plenty for a now somewhat injury prone player), Marner is in the exact stat categories as Gaudreau was when he signed his deal at 6.75 which is inflated to about 7.5 right now. Also on Marner theres no way on earth he is getting more than Draisaitl. Plus Kapanen has absolutely negative leverage and will take what he is given or he will be traded.
I have no clue if it is the young generation of hockey fans or if it is just the whole fans in general but the way people just over look facts these days is mind blowing. To me just because Marner is playing with Tavares who is obviously going to inflate his stats a big does not get him reason to ask for more money. These are RRRRRR-FFFFF-AAAAAA players and are not at the point in their careers where they can leverage the max amount of money. Its just called business


Ok, Id keep wishing for that to if i was a Toronto fan
Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:58 p.m.
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You have got to be trolling right now. Players dont just get a blank cheque. Matthews will be pushed to take about 11 mil (which is plenty for a now somewhat injury prone player), Marner is in the exact stat categories as Gaudreau was when he signed his deal at 6.75 which is inflated to about 7.5 right now. Also on Marner theres no way on earth he is getting more than Draisaitl. Plus Kapanen has absolutely negative leverage and will take what he is given or he will be traded.
I have no clue if it is the young generation of hockey fans or if it is just the whole fans in general but the way people just over look facts these days is mind blowing. To me just because Marner is playing with Tavares who is obviously going to inflate his stats a big does not get him reason to ask for more money. These are RRRRRR-FFFFF-AAAAAA players and are not at the point in their careers where they can leverage the max amount of money. Its just called business


Have a look at what players are signing for. It may surprise you. Its all about cap% for the top guys whether you like/agree or not.
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Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:59 p.m.
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IDK Senior Cheif, These boys want paid as u kno with Nylander hold out.... But hey good luck with hoping they take less bc Marner and Kane is the comparison to go from and Kane at $10.5 when he signed is now $11-$11.5


Thats his second deal not his RFA deal how can you not understand this? Also Kane was a step ahead of Marner at these points in their career. Amazing how the Toronto media can manipulate the way people view players. They had basically nothing to talk negative about right now so they are trying to poke at next season with the drama contract ****
Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:59 p.m.
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Ok, Id keep wishing for that to if i was a Toronto fan


As all non Leaf fans seem to be praying that Matthews wants 15 million, Marner wants 12 and Nylander will get 9. Everyone wants to see the Leafs burn.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 3:59 p.m.
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Matthews gets at 500k to 1 mil more as the cap has gone up and % will be less than McDavid but more dollars. Marner might get 500 k more. KK will not sign for 1 year unless it is for at least 4 mil. Why would he wait for next year where an injury could end his career. 1 year 4 mil 2 years 3.25 million.

I could see edmonton take on Brown if they were able to free cap elsewhere.

St Louis has a problem scoring not other's from scoring. Zaitsev does not help them in the s ring department. So no trade. Problem with the cap.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:00 p.m.
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Ok, Id keep wishing for that to if i was a Toronto fan


I dont have to wish, I am using facts. If they are greedy and dont want to take it they can also sit out. Looks good on Nylander sitting there with a whole city hating him while the team is in top spot. Ya worked great lol
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:00 p.m.
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But there is not reason to think that, Mcdavid won a scoring title, Hart, and the Ted Lindsay before he signed that deal. Matthews is nowhere close to that right now


I agree Matthews isn't the player that McDavid is. 100% agree. But that is irrelevant. Matthews is valuable to the leafs the same as McDavid is to the Oilers. Time will tell but I say Matthews gets $12.5 or more. They are paying him for what he is going to do, not what he has done.
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Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:01 p.m.
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Matthews gets at 500k to 1 mil more as the cap has gone up and % will be less than McDavid but more dollars. Marner might get 500 k more. KK will not sign for 1 year unless it is for at least 4 mil. Why would he wait for next year where an injury could end his career. 1 year 4 mil 2 years 3.25 million.

I could see edmonton take on Brown if they were able to free cap elsewhere.

St Louis has a problem scoring not other's from scoring. Zaitsev does not help them in the s ring department. So no trade. Problem with the cap.


I just through St Louis in there, it could be anyone really. Zaitsev is a good player but 4 mill can be spent better.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:02 p.m.
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I dont have to wish, I am using facts. If they are greedy and dont want to take it they can also sit out. Looks good on Nylander sitting there with a whole city hating him while the team is in top spot. Ya worked great lol


At the end of the day, Nylander has to look out for his own interests. He does not want to get lapped by Marner and Matthews. Not saying I agree with him, but hes looking out for himself which is what he should be doing. Although I think he is overvaluing himself as a player.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:06 p.m.
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I agree Matthews isn't the player that McDavid is. 100% agree. But that is irrelevant. Matthews is valuable to the leafs the same as McDavid is to the Oilers. Time will tell but I say Matthews gets $12.5 or more. They are paying him for what he is going to do, not what he has done.


Thats the dumbest this I hate hearing that. "What he WILL do". If that were the case Mcdavid would be making max contract. The market is simple, you get what you are worth in reason to what the team will pay. All these other kids have signed reasonable deals in the last couple years and yet now that the leafs come along people start thinking its going to bankrupt them. Its not. Use any comparable player stats wise and use them, they will show you what he should be paid. You need to use the RFA contract though because that is what is relevant. Larkin signed at 6.1, Ehlers at 6, Pastrnak at 6.67. Nylander at 8 from the same draft class is hilarious, thus why no team has taken him yet
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Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:08 p.m.
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At the end of the day, Nylander has to look out for his own interests. He does not want to get lapped by Marner and Matthews. Not saying I agree with him, but hes looking out for himself which is what he should be doing. Although I think he is overvaluing himself as a player.


debating on living off 45-50 million vs 60 million is pretty stupid if you ask anyone. Every single player who has retired without a cup will tell you they would take the little less money to get a shot at a cup
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:10 p.m.
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As long as a team scores goals and their goaltender isn't complete garbage, teams can win with less than average defense. Is it ideal? No, but if it has to come at the cost of losing a stud offensive player, I say screw it, keep the player and make sacrifices elsewhere.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Sidstick87
- Matthews is going to want at the very least, the same as McJesus - $12.5-$13.5
- Marner > JT = MORE MONEY $11-$12
- Kappi keeps up pace = $3-$3.75


At the very least? Cmon man. McDavid is in a league of his own. Matthews - depending on if he wants to cut his salary by a bit - will take between $10-11 million. Marner is not better than JT. Idk where you are getting this from but im dumbfounded by that. All this talk about Marner getting anywhere in the 8.5, 9, 10 mill area is asine. 11-12? wtf lmao. The guy is good but he isnt close to being one of the best in the league yet.
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Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:17 p.m.
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Thats the dumbest this I hate hearing that. "What he WILL do". If that were the case Mcdavid would be making max contract. The market is simple, you get what you are worth in reason to what the team will pay. All these other kids have signed reasonable deals in the last couple years and yet now that the leafs come along people start thinking its going to bankrupt them. Its not. Use any comparable player stats wise and use them, they will show you what he should be paid. You need to use the RFA contract though because that is what is relevant. Larkin signed at 6.1, Ehlers at 6, Pastrnak at 6.67. Nylander at 8 from the same draft class is hilarious, thus why no team has taken him yet


Say what you want, it makes no sense to pay someone for what they have done, teams need to be continually looking forward and into the future. As for Mcdavid, he got a huge deal, you cant pay him $22 mill, not in a cap world. But if you could, he would be worth it. I agree Nylander is not worth $8 mill. He can sit all year if that's what he wants. But your take on contracts does not make sense. There is much more to negotiating a contract than comparable players. Like it or not. Guess we can agree to disagree on this.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:18 p.m.
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debating on living off 45-50 million vs 60 million is pretty stupid if you ask anyone. Every single player who has retired without a cup will tell you they would take the little less money to get a shot at a cup


Don't fool yourself. Its about $. Ask some other players who have won a cup but are now broke because they pissed away their cash.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:19 p.m.
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IDK Senior Cheif, These boys want paid as u kno with Nylander hold out.... But hey good luck with hoping they take less bc Marner and Kane is the comparison to go from and Kane at $10.5 when he signed is now $11-$11.5


Okay then let’s use Kane... 6.5m x 5years in his rfa deal. Still want to use Kane?
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:29 p.m.
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Say what you want, it makes no sense to pay someone for what they have done, teams need to be continually looking forward and into the future. As for Mcdavid, he got a huge deal, you cant pay him $22 mill, not in a cap world. But if you could, he would be worth it. I agree Nylander is not worth $8 mill. He can sit all year if that's what he wants. But your take on contracts does not make sense. There is much more to negotiating a contract than comparable players. Like it or not. Guess we can agree to disagree on this.


You pay them for what they HAVE done, thats how you avoid anchor contracts
Nov. 22, 2018 at 4:30 p.m.
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You pay them for what they HAVE done, thats how you avoid anchor contracts


Whatever you say, chum.
Nov. 22, 2018 at 5:20 p.m.
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Like it or not, Mathews is getting 12m(ish). or atleast should be.
Marner could get 10.5m on any other team but will probably do Toronto a solid and take less.
Mathews is in a position of Power when it comes to his next contract, just like Mcdavid was, not the Leafs or Oilers. they may control his rights but it looks bad on them if he does a Nylander and sits out some games while he waits on Leafs. Nylander is only hurting himself, but lets me real, he isn't Mathews.
Mathews is NOT Mcdavid. but he is Toronto's Poor mans version of McDavid. Completely different players but at the end of the day, he is widely considered the next best young player in the NHL behind McDavid. Hell, when he was scoring a ton of goals at the start of the season, some(alot of) hockey writers was saying he was maybe a 1B to McDavids 1A.
best way to think about it is to be subjective and say if Mathews was on a team like Vancouver/Ottawa/Winnipeg/Calgary or whomever, what would he sign for?
 
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