HARDPASS. ALEXEYEV IS GOING TO BE A STUD. he has provorov talent. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t kill it in the ahl and get some nhl time.

Massive overpayment for a guy who’s slightly better than nisk and not nearly better than Carlson. Keep the assets

League would decline trade u need to add bigger salary contracts or ask St. Louis to retain at least 40% of his salary

Amen!

Next year at this time I can easily see the line up on d

Kemp Carlson
Orlov nisk
Alexeyev djoo

Also idk if any nhl team has ever trusted more than 1 Russian playing d on their team

Yuck. Caps say no. Just horrible.

Everyone can keep their hands off our Ruskies

This might be a semantic quibble, but even though that trade is awful, and pays for Pietrangelo four times over, I feel like the term "hard pass" should refer to just not having interest in a player, and Pietrangelo, with some salary retained, would be totally welcome anywhere, including Washington.

When I had only read up through Burakovsky and Bowey and the retention that made his cap hit equal to those of Burakovsky and Bowey together? I was fine with that. Then I noticed a pick, and I was like, "nah."

New Jersey and Detroit tried it in the '90s. I can't remember but I think maybe they did okay?

if they last team to do it was in the 90's 20 years ago its not a common thing?

In the '90s, there was no professional hockey in Russia, just some government-sponsored teams, one or two of which might have better than any team in the NHL, at the time, so guys like Fedorov, Mogilny, Kasatonov, Bure, etc. came over to pay their first games of professional hockey. The Caps signed some old guys like Tatarinov who could barely play much anymore because you could get free NHL quality players.

Some time around 2000, the Russian Super League formed and made a point of hiring as many Russian-born players as they could afford, overpaying rank and file NHL guys to bring them home and develop the sport. NHL teams mostly stopped scouting any Russians they didn't think would be superstars, because guys were leaving whether or not they were finished with their contracts.

The KHL, which replaced the RSL, hasn't been blessed with quite as much financial stability. A couple teams have bounced paychecks, or gone bankrupt. NHL lockouts sent a bunch of NHL guys over to Europe to play, and made the cultural barrier seem less daunting. Now ordinary players from each side of the pond are playing in any league in Europe or North america that gives them a contract.

Of course, Orlov and Alexeyev are better than "ordinary," but just as a general trend, I think diversity is increasing in the NHL, and abroad, and that can only be good for sports, and for international relationships.

Fair enough. G.M.s sometimes to stupid things when they are hard up for a cup. Just trying. (And I agree with you....Alexeyev is going to be a stud, which is of course why I asked for him!)

nobody learned that lesson harder than the capitals we traded forsberg for erat bc we were cup chasing and in the long run it ended up costing us. I think the capitals could have won the last 3 cups with forsberg but we have one at least

Which is one more than the Blues have!

Woah...a Marty Erat reference. Nice.

I just want to say that I despise all Caps fans on this site right now . Pietrangelo > Carlson, Alexeyev <<<< Provorov, @Eli is the most dense piece of mass in the known universe, and y'all too scared to trade a prospect, a couple late-in-the-round picks, and a couple replacement-level players for a top-20 defenseman in the world.

What if the Blues offered Schmaltz + Sanford + Kostin + pick 25 + pick 56 for Carlson? Easy no, right?

I'm with you @A_K. Burakovsky has potential to be good but also has demonstrated he could be a bust. Blues would be gambling on the upside. Bowey is a solid RHD who can help replace Petro's minutes but nothing close to his passing abilities. Alexeyev is prospect who is on track to be a good one (and Provorov is waaaay better at this point as you point out), but for every one of those there are probably three who never pan out as expected. (Kostin too may never pan out but he looks really good too.) As good as Washington is, and as far as they will likely go in the playoffs, the picks are closer to a 2nd and a 3rd than a 1st and a 2nd. Plus, my proposal has STL retaining $1.5 million to help Washington stay under the cap. I get that Caps fans don't want to give up potential, but putting Petro in the top four of a defending champion makes them so much stronger, it is worth the price in my opinion.

For sure, I was just being over-the-top haha. Just trying to bring a different perspective on some of these player evaluations.

That is a bold statement.

The "slightly better than Nisk" reveals ignorance. The "not nearly better than Carlson" is at best speculation and more likely over-estimation.

I assume being a flyers fan you are referring to the alexeyev vs provorov statement...

provorov whl numbers are slightly better....

provorov was a ppg player then moved into a 1.17 ppg player

alexeyev is currently a ppg player at the whl and was a ppg player in the u20 tournament.. I think that he would be able to play more sheltered minutes with the capitals and have an easier development than provorov.. like I said he has provorov talent whether or not hes able to transition that talent to the nhl level is yet to be seen....

the bolder statement is hart vs samsonov imo

lmfao yeah Carlson is a top 5 dman in points and a top 10 nhl dman currently gtfoh with that basic Pietrangelo is better statement haha.... maybe like 3 years ago but Carlson is elite and I highly doubt anyone would take Pietrangelo over Carlson

and provorov is better than alexeyev? no **** hes a whl players haha.....im pretty sure I said he has provorov talent. I never said he was better. like why would we trade a guy who can easily become a top pairing dman for Pietrangelo? and also give up a tone of assets?

Yet to be seen? Provy plays 26 minutes a night against the other teams top line, every single game! We know what he is. Just like we know that Hart > Samsonov.

id say that Carlson is easily a top 5-10 dman in the nhl. right now....hes 4th in points and hes slightly above average defensively but his offensive upside is overwhelming more valuable than his average to good defensive play..

nisk is underrated in both defense and offense and he is able to put up 35 plus points with limited to no power play time.......I would obviously take Pietrangelo over nisk but I would never that price for a guy that wouldn't be our best rhd and his level of play doesnt bring much more than nisk

I don't think I was clear......alexeyev is provorov talent potential ......but ALEXEYEV has yet to prove that he can transition that to the nhl level. I wasn't scything that about prom I was talking about eyev

no provorov is amazing and I agree hart is better than samsonov I don't know why we are so obsessed with him.....holtby is our guy or should be... I think samsonov could be a bust

I'll try to take the bias out since obviously I'm gonna like my guy and you yours...

Petro 9th, JC 8th https://www.nhl.com/news/top-20-defensemen-nhl-top-players-2018-19/c-299726154

Petro 9th, JC 12th (RHD only) https://www.corsicahockey.com/nhl/players/nhl-player-ratings-rankings

Petro 11th, JC not in the top 40 https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-defencemen-three-seasons/

Shoveling the puck over to Ovi to get 21 PP assists has been tough work this year. Over the last 4 yrs Petro has 2 fewer 5v5 pts than JC. He's got better shot metrics and he starts in the DZ more frequently.

Petro is 8 days younger, it would be weird if he fell apart 3 years sooner than Carlson... their 5v5 scoring numbers are very similar over the last 4 years. Probably makes more sense that Carlson saw a recent bump in his PP time while Petro's has fallen off (I checked, online).

All prospects are going to be top line / top pair guys too so I wouldn't trade them for a proven guy ever.