Marner isn’t getting 11

And if he is, its not from the Leafs.

You have no idea what bracco is. At this point he is simply a very good ahl player.

Wow. The amount of venom and disrespect Leaf fans are showing the guy who's lead the team in points the last 2 seasons is outstanding.

‘Bracco is an excellent playmaker with high end puck handling skills. Smaller than fellow Leafs' prospects Mitch Marner and William Nylander, he plays with the same type of creativity and uses his speed and awareness both to create pressure on defenders and avoid dangerous situations’

Scouting reports from when he joined the OHL.

What venom and disrespect? All anyone said is he doesn't deserve to be the 4th highest paid player in the league and highest paid RFA winger in league history. How is that venom or disrespect?

Nylander is worth more than just a first round pick. He is worth what he was initially. A #6-10 pick if traded straight for picks at least.

Wait. You are seriously using a quote from when he was 16?

Nope, scouting report from when he was 18. After he played two years in the US national development program & 1 year in NCAA.

0 nhl games means you dont know

I know he’s not Tie Domi. I also know he’s not Jagr. Both useful pieces of information.

I’ve watched a lot of Bracco and he is exactly that, plays a similar offensive game to Nylander. Perimeter creative playmaker, however, not as good a top end speed through the neutral zone. What you don’t get with him is chasing guys down in the neutral zone. They’re both equally bad in the defensive zone. He is top 6 nhl quality when it comes to offensive zone capability, it’s the other 2 zones that may keep him in the press box, especially with a coach like Babcock.

Disrespect? Aho and Marner (and Rantanen) had identical numbers and value in the past two years? Aho signed for 8.45m X 5.

One year in the NCAA? Try 5 games and he quit and joined the Kitchener Rangers.

The salary comparing is a bogus argument and you know it. There are too many determining factors; ice time, contribution % of team goals, and most importantly the YEAR the contract is signed (like there's no way Draisaitl would sign for 8.5 now). ALSO my comment isn't based on this thread; it's based on sports media and "fans" on twitter calling him greedy and over-rated and much worse. I think Marner is okay with the $10M payday but I completely understand and respect why he'd hold out for it to be the 5 year term that Matthews got.

Marner might be a very sensitive creature, who knows? Apparently he feels disrespected because he was sent to develop for one more year in the OHL, didn't like his playing time in his rookie year, didnt like his elc contract without bonuses that he wouldn't of earned anyways given his production.

If reports are correct he has an 80M deal on the table with the leafs, and a 12.5M/7yr OS from someone. I have a hard time feeling sorry for a 21yr old kid if he feels disrespected with a situation like that.

Marners camp's position and possible inferiority complex is just a bit too precious for me. Respect is something that is earned and/or lost. The tactics that Marner's camp are using right now is losing him alot of respect and damaging his brand, imo. The crazy thing to me is that he is doing this to himself for reasons I can't figure out.

Yep, and now Aho and Rantanen are now the highest paid players on their teams (and Rantenan didn't even lead his team in points). Marner is being asked to take less than 2 players he contributes more than, and sign a longer deal at that lower amount. I consider that to be disrespectful.

I understand that argument but it kinda meaningless in contract negotiations. Just because the Leafs overpaid two of their RFAs...Matthews and Nylander is doesn't mean the Leafs have to or can continue that tradition. Rantanen, by that logic shouldn't get more than 6m McKinnon. Or any team with low payroll can get away with paying less than the league wide standard because your logic says salaries are based on team comparisons only. Gee, the Sens should be over the cap because half the team should be making more that 7.25m Ryan if it's just a team comparison we're making.

Marner isn't being asked to do anything. Apparently he's been offered 80M from the leafs. That's what they can do for Marner. If he doesn't like that offer he is free to sign an OS, sit or go play in Russia.

This idea that Marner is being victimized and being treated unfairly is ridiculous. He is driving his own bus with all of this. And he can put in the corner if he feels the need to. But I'm not sure how that helps him or his cause

I am not calling anyone greedy for wanting to get as much as they can. They have the right to get what they want.

However his best comparable I'd aho who just signed for 8.45 *5.

Or Tarasenko who signed for 7.5*8 which by cap percentage is like 8.6*8

You cant compare UFA to RFA. UFA has the whole league bidding on him. RFA does too but it requires someone to pay 4 firsts. It's a completely different situation.

And Matthews is a significantly more valuable player than Marner. No RFA winger coming off an elc has ever gotten more than Tarasenko's 7.5 in this CBA. We can talk again when Rantanen comes in but Marner should come in below Rantanen as he's outperformed him.

I didn't bring up the AHO and RANTENAN comparison, I merely commented on it when someone else did. Either way, this is a problem the Leafs created by handing Matthews that contract as he ended his ELC and now they need to figure out how to make Marner feel like he isn't getting boned. It won't be easy and hopefully Dubas will learn from it.

An $80M offer from the leafs, which would make him the 2nd highest paid winger and a top 10 paid player in the game is going to leave Marner feeling like hes "getting boned?" Man, that's a pretty precious snowflake response if that's how he feels. And it leaves me making the same facial expression as Mark Stone in your avatar.

If thats all its takes to get nylander Nashville would get ya a 1st plus something.

Can't say I've seen Bracco play but he sounds very similar to Nic Petan who many Jets fans had high hopes for but couldn't get much of a chance with Maurice who is very similar to Babcock with lineup choices.
Both are small, creative play making wingers who were 2nd round picks. Seems the only way guys like that will succeed in the NHL will be either they have elite skill like a Gaudreau or they have to play in a top 6 role with other skilled players but will Babcock give Bracco (or Petan) that opportunity? Tough to say but the early season absence of Hyman will be Bracco and Petan's best chance to prove themselves to the coach, they've got their work cut out for them.
So does Nylander need to go to make this all fit? Sure it does for a season and should free up the money to pay Muzzin, Barrie and Ceci in the 2020 summer if the Leafs want to keep them around but is the cap gonna rise enough to pay future RFA's and UFA's like Bracco, Moore, Andersen and whoever else? Maybe but it seems like it'll be tough if not impossible to build a contender with three $10M+ players. Dubas has done pretty well this summer, will be interesting to see what he does over the next few seasons to make everyone fit, he's probably praying that Liljegren and Sandin can step in on ELCs and provide him some temporary cap relief.

I think he'd be making a mistake to trade Nylander though, I think he'll rebound this season and prove he's worth his contract.