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Every team's most overrated player

Jul 14, 2019 at 6:35
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Anaheim: Rickard Rakell
Arizona: Alex Goligoski
Boston: Charlie Coyle
Buffalo: Marco Scandella
Calgary: Michael Frolik
Carolina: Trevor Van-Riemsdyk
Chicago: Brandon Saad
Colorado: Andre Burakovsky
Columbus: Oliver Bjorkstrand
Dallas: Mattias Janmark
Detroit: Jimmy Howard
Edmonton: Oscar Klefbom
Florida: Sergei Bobrovsky
Los Angeles: Dustin Brown
Minnesota: Jason Zucker
Montreal: Jonathan Drouin
Nashville: Juuse Saros:
New Jersey: Wayne Simmonds
NY Islanders: Semyon Varlamov
NY Rangers: Jesper Fast
Ottawa: Ron Hainsey
Philadelphia: Oskar Lindblom
Pittsburgh: Jared McCann
San Jose: Evander Kane
St. Louis: Sammy Blais
Tampa Bay: Yanni Gourde
Toronto: William Nylander
Vancouver: Tanner Pearson
Vegas: Cody Eakin
Washington: Tom Wilson
Winnipeg: Dustin Byfuglien
Jul 14, 2019 at 10:02
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Anaheim: Henrique
Arizona: Stepan
Boston: McCavoy
Buffalo: Ristolainen
Calgary: Hamonic
Carolina: Staal
Chicago: Anisimov
Colorado: E Johnson
Columbus: Savard
Dallas: Benn
Detroit: Dekeyser
Edmonton: Klefbom
Florida: Matheson
Los Angelas: Toffoli
Minnesota: Brodin
Montreal: Mete
Nashville: Johansen
New Jersey: Severson
Islanders: Leddy
Rangers: Skej
Ottawa: B Tkachuk
Pittsburgh: Murray
Flyers: Gostisbehere
Sharks: Burns
Blues: Tarasenko
Lightning: Palat
Maple Leafs: Kapenen
Vancouver: Boeser
Vegas: W Karlsson
Washington: Holtby
Winnipeg: Laine
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Jul 14, 2019 at 10:06
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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
Anaheim: Henrique
Arizona: Stepan
Boston: McCavoy
Buffalo: Ristolainen
Calgary: Hamonic
Carolina: Staal
Chicago: Anisimov
Colorado: E Johnson
Columbus: Savard
Dallas: Benn
Detroit: Dekeyser
Edmonton: Klefbom
Florida: Matheson
Los Angelas: Toffoli
Minnesota: Brodin
Montreal: Mete
Nashville: Johansen
New Jersey: Severson
Islanders: Leddy
Rangers: Skej
Ottawa: B Tkachuk
Pittsburgh: Murray
Flyers: Gostisbehere
Sharks: Burns
Blues: Tarasenko
Lightning: Palat
Maple Leafs: Kapenen
Vancouver: Boeser
Vegas: W Karlsson
Washington: Holtby
Winnipeg: Laine


I think we only agreed on 1 (Klefbom) which is good because we're not supposed to agree on too many. If everyone agreed that takes out the whole point.
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Jul 15, 2019 at 11:51
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Anaheim: Cam Fowler
Arizona: Alex Goligoski
Boston: Charlie Coyle
Buffalo: Rasmus Ristolainen
Calgary: TJ Brodie
Carolina: Ryan Dzingel
Chicago: Olli Maatta
Colorado: Erik Johnson
Columbus: Zach Werenski
Dallas: Mattias Janmark
Detroit: Danny DeKeyser
Edmonton: Zack Kassian
Florida: Keith Yandle
Los Angeles: Jeff Carter
Minnesota: Kevin Fiala
Montreal: Jonathan Drouin
Nashville: Ryan Johansen
New Jersey: Sami Vatanen
NY Islanders: Johnny Boychuk
NY Rangers: Jesper Fast
Ottawa: Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Philadelphia: Robert Hagg
Pittsburgh: Nick Bjugstad
San Jose: Marc-Edouard Vlasic
St. Louis: Joel Edmundson
Tampa Bay: Tyler Johnson
Toronto: Tyson Barrie
Vancouver: Troy Stecher
Vegas: Max Pacioretty
Washington: Dmitri Orlov
Winnipeg: Patrik Laine
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Jul 15, 2019 at 12:33
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ANA: Fowler
ARI: Dvorak
BOS: Coyle
BUF: Risto
CGY: Hamonic
CAR: J. Staal
CHI: Seabrook
COL: Donskoi
CBJ: Werenski
DAL: Ja. Benn
DET: Howard
EDM: Russell
FLA: Stralman
LAK: Quick
MIN: V. Rask
MTL: Drouin
NSH: Johansen
NJD: Subban
NYI: Leddy
NYR: Skjei
OTT: Hainsey
PHI: K. Hayes
PIT: B. Tanev
SJS: E. Kane
STL: Bozak
TBL: T. Johnson
TOR: W. Nylander
VAN: Beagle
VGK: Reaves
WASH: Orlov
WPG: Little
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Jul 15, 2019 at 12:43
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LOL so many people think Laine's overrated ... so how can he be overrated?
Jul 15, 2019 at 12:44
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For the most part these lists are different. But Coyle and Ristolainen have been picked 3 times each ... maybe not actually overrated?
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Jul 15, 2019 at 1:17
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Quoting: rangersandislesfan
LOL so many people think Laine's overrated ... so how can he be overrated?


His only good trait is his shot. He's poor defensively, doesn't drive play or possession, and isn't a great skater. He scores a lot, which means he's the most valuable type of overrated and teams would love to have him, but he's still overrated nonetheless. He's still young, so he's got time to round out his game, but one would expect to see more progress after three full seasons.
Jul 15, 2019 at 1:45
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
His only good trait is his shot. He's poor defensively, doesn't drive play or possession, and isn't a great skater. He scores a lot, which means he's the most valuable type of overrated and teams would love to have him, but he's still overrated nonetheless. He's still young, so he's got time to round out his game, but one would expect to see more progress after three full seasons.


Yes, but don't most people know that?
Jul 15, 2019 at 1:46
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And I know Wilson is probably the most hated player in the game, but that doesn't mean he can't be overrated, because lots of people say "I hate him but he's really good". He is a really good player but not as good as some think IMO.
Jul 15, 2019 at 1:49
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Yes, but don't most people know that?


I would think so, but a lot of people would still say he's elite. Putting up points can mask a lot of players deficiencies. He's like a forward version of Ristolainen.
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Jul 15, 2019 at 2:02
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
I would think so, but a lot of people would still say he's elite. Putting up points can mask a lot of players deficiencies. He's like a forward version of Ristolainen.


I'm just saying it seems like almost everyone says he's overrated. If everyone thinks he's overrated, is he actually overrated?
Jul 15, 2019 at 3:54
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see lots of names but no reasons. granted, thinking of a player on each team is a lot. don't pay attention that much.

Anaheim: Henquire. was going to say silfverberg but yikes at a little under 6 million for a 40 point guy.
Toronto: this is hard since a few guys i would've considered left. gonna say Dermott. the impression i get from some people is that he's already a top 2 defensemen.
Tampa: Yanni Gourde; overrated by management. feel like he got too much for too long. tampa has way too many 2nd/3rd line forwards on ntcs right now and adding another one wasn't the best idea.

can't think of any others atm
Jul 15, 2019 at 4:20
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Anaheim: Fowler
Arizona: Demers
Boston: Krug
Buffalo: Ristolainen
Calgary: Brodie
Carolina: Stall
Chicago: Saad
Colorado: Johnson
Columbus: Murray
Dallas: Perry
Detroit: Dekeyser
Edmonton: Larsson
Florida: Stralman
Los Angeles: Brown
Minnesota: Zucker
Montreal: Drouin
Nashville: Johansen
New Jersey: Subban
New York Islanders: Eberle
New York Rangers: Shattenkirk
Ottawa: Pageau
Flyers: Gostisbehere
Pittsburgh: Rust
Sharks: Vlasic
Blues: Steen
Tampa Bay: Gourde
Toronto: Kapanen
Vancouver: Tavev
Vegas: Stastny
Washington: Orlov
Winnipeg: Laine
Jul 15, 2019 at 4:27
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Why is everyone saying the same players? That's totally not the point lol.
Jul 16, 2019 at 2:52
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Anaheim: Cam Fowler
Arizona: Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Boston: Charlie Coyle
Buffalo: Rasmus Ristolainen
Calgary: TJ Brodie
Carolina: Justin Faulk
Chicago: Duncan Keith
Colorado: Ian Cole
Columbus: Zach Werenski
Dallas: Jamie Benn
Detroit: Jimmy Howard
Edmonton: Adam Larsson
Florida: Sergei Bobrovsky
Los Angeles: Tyler Toffoli
Minnesota: Jonas Brodin
Montreal: Jonathan Drouin
Nashville: Ryan Johansen
New Jersey: PK Subban
NY Islanders: Josh Bailey
NY Rangers: Tony DeAngelo
Ottawa: Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Philadelphia: Jakub Voracek
Pittsburgh: Brian Dumoulin
San Jose: Marc-Eduard Vlasic
St. Louis: Tyler Bozak
Tampa Bay: Yanni Gourde
Toronto: Kasperi Kapanen
Vancouver: Chris Tanev
Vegas: Reilly Smith
Washington: Braden Holtby
Winnipeg: Bryan Little
Jul 16, 2019 at 10:13
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Anaheim: Cam Fowler
Arizona: Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Boston: Charlie Coyle
Buffalo: Rasmus Ristolainen
Calgary: TJ Brodie
Carolina: Justin Faulk
Chicago: Duncan Keith
Colorado: Ian Cole
Columbus: Zach Werenski
Dallas: Jamie Benn
Detroit: Jimmy Howard
Edmonton: Adam Larsson
Florida: Sergei Bobrovsky
Los Angeles: Tyler Toffoli
Minnesota: Jonas Brodin
Montreal: Jonathan Drouin
Nashville: Ryan Johansen
New Jersey: PK Subban
NY Islanders: Josh Bailey
NY Rangers: Tony DeAngelo
Ottawa: Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Philadelphia: Jakub Voracek
Pittsburgh: Brian Dumoulin
San Jose: Marc-Eduard Vlasic
St. Louis: Tyler Bozak
Tampa Bay: Yanni Gourde
Toronto: Kasperi Kapanen
Vancouver: Chris Tanev
Vegas: Reilly Smith
Washington: Braden Holtby
Winnipeg: Bryan Little


Vlasic: A year ago everyone was calling him one of the most underrated players in the league, certainly on D. Now, after a year of underrated talk he's now probably overrated. It's def. a fine line between being over/underrated. J.G. Pageau had an excellent playoff run w/ OTT a couple seasons ago during which he sorta came outta nowhere. Now, he's barely hanging on w/ the league's worst team and def. overrated.
Jul 16, 2019 at 10:16
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Why are so many people picking Ristolainen? If everyone says he's overrated, how can he be overrated?
Jul 16, 2019 at 10:24
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Why are so many people picking Ristolainen? If everyone says he's overrated, how can he be overrated?


A lot of people in the media + his coaching staff overrate him. 5 people in a forum saying he's overrated doesn't mean that's the general consensus.
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Jul 16, 2019 at 11:01
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
A lot of people in the media + his coaching staff overrate him. 5 people in a forum saying he's overrated doesn't mean that's the general consensus.


How good do the media think he is?
Jul 16, 2019 at 11:13
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How good do the media think he is?


Since he plays top minutes and puts up 40+ points a year, they generally view him as a legitimate top pairing defenseman.
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Jul 16, 2019 at 11:16
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How good do the media think he is?


Plenty of people see him capable of a good top four role, but Doc is right in saying that the general media views him as a top pairing guy.
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Jul 16, 2019 at 11:24
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Quoting: DoctorBreakfast
Since he plays top minutes and puts up 40+ points a year, they generally view him as a legitimate top pairing defenseman.


Quoting: krakowitz
Plenty of people see him capable of a good top four role, but Doc is right in saying that the general media views him as a top pairing guy.


I guess i don't know a lot of the opinions. I think he's a 2nd pairing defenseman with top pairing potential. But that's a question mark.
Jul 16, 2019 at 11:31
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I guess i don't know a lot of the opinions. I think he's a 2nd pairing defenseman with top pairing potential. But that's a question mark.


The biggest issue was that he was thrust into a role he clearly wasn't ready for at the time. It clearly hurt his development and he needs to be put in a place where he can be a puck moving, second pair defenseman. That's where he can thrive right now
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Jul 16, 2019 at 11:53
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The biggest issue was that he was thrust into a role he clearly wasn't ready for at the time. It clearly hurt his development and he needs to be put in a place where he can be a puck moving, second pair defenseman. That's where he can thrive right now


Agreed
 
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