why would LA do that?

pass on Gardiner
he's 29 coming off an injury plagued season in which he declined 22 points from the previous season .
even if he matches his career high again he's not worth more then 4-4.5m tops and only if its a buyout friendly contract with no signing or performance bonus's

Mete at 21 going into his 3rd season is still the better option
now if you signed Ben Hutton and wanted to play Mete in Laval to find his offensive game that would make sense
Chariot and Hutton give us two high quality hitters/Shot blockers in the NHL on our blue line and Kulak there to help eat up minutes between them on Petry's line i'd say we're a better team

Gardiner though isnt signed for a reason
he hit his career high at 28 then declined hard but before that he was no prize and viewed by many including tons or irate Leafs fans as a Defensive Liability blaming him for their playoff loss to BOS .

Huttons a better fit , a top 10 hitter in the league and only 26
VAN didnt qualify him so we can just take him

Chariot -Weber
Kulak-Petry
Hutton-Juulsen
Folin

now we got speed , skill , size , strength , and 5/7 will block shots or hit players every game regluarly .
most of our new additions played smaller roles in other sytems but have shown potential for improvement still like Folin who's trained since May on his Skating in Finland or Chariot who's settled into MTL endearing himself to the fans with his basic French skill :P

Hutton could be a guy like Benn who they bring in expecting him to match past success but instead he succeeds it

which one

same reason they gave away Pearson

they tried holding out to get value and their prospect just got older and had bad seasons lowering their value
4.8m cap for Paul Byron level Production makes Toffoli tough to get value on

to me Pearson at his age and 1m less per year shoulda got more given
they only got 7 more points out of an older Toffoli for that cap hit

Hudon may have had a bad year but he's capable of 25-30 points for less then 1m
Toffoli's making almost 5 m to retire in style on a team that seemed to have given up before Rob Blake took over .

Gardiner , we dont like Gardiner
furthermore we're tired of hearing him linked to us
MB wont pay a defensive liability with injury problems when we got Mete , Kulak or Chariot

Claude plays a system where if you dont play well your benched whether your Pacioretty , Galchenyuk or Alzner
so bringing Gardiner in makes the exact opposite of sense

Toffoli is WAY better than Pearson for 1 thing and if LA was having so much trouble getting value after their bad year why did Muzzin get the return he did? Toffoli is a 45+ point player, there should be no argument that this is an atrocious trade for LA they will get far better offers than this. Toffoli will at the ver least fetch a 2nd and a A/B prospect

Anything you post on this website is angry fans attacking you

Yes bc Hans fans are stupid

Toffoli was a 45+ point player
everything points to decline and when LAK players decline they decline hard

you trying to get value off what Toffoli did is like MTL trying to get Value off Galchenyuks 1 year he scored 30 goals
how did that work ?

we got a straight up 1 for 1 trade with a player who turned out great for us but at the time of the trade was being marketed as the lesser player who couldnt score more then Empty Net Goals and Kypreo's kept joking about . . (****ing NK lol ). Had Domi performed like he did in ARZ and not over achieved we would have effectively traded for a 2nd/3rd line winger similar to Andrew Shaw but we got lucky that he became Claude Juliens new Brad Marchand.


if you want that value you got to risk keeping him and him continuing to decline there for leaving LAK no return .
he's 27 a pending UFA this summer comming off a horrible season
this is like PHI fans expecting Simmonds to land them a kings ransom and he got Hartman and a 4th
Simmonds had more points then Toffoli in his off year to by double digits but recieved less

yet you insist merely because of your bias in liking Toffoli that Faith should dictate value not success or lack of

Kings can do better for Toffoli. Target should be a 2nd round pick and a young, expansion draft exempt B+ prospect (Ylönen maybe).

I'd be okay with this return if the trade happens at the deadline.

its a numbers game
we got more fans by 10x most franchises
law of average's says we got to have more dummies :P

that being said Gardiner is not a good fit for MTL
for many teams like MIN sure but MTL if you cant play Claude Juliens system as he asks
you'll be benched and possibly even waived whether you're Chucky , or Alzner it doesnt matter to Claude if you cant play Defense at todays speeds .

thats what y'all said about Pearson who i'd rather have then the elder Toffoli
Then again VAN must agree as Pearson is in VAN and you've made no play for Toffoli

I'm not even a kings fan? I just know he's worth way more than the crap offer above? If he is so bad and a declining player then why would he play on MTL's 2nd line?
He had a down year. 1 down year, not like Galchenyuk's 1 up year. Hes not declining at age 27. The guy had a 5.8 shooting percentage that's stupidly below average and he played on the team that was 2nd last in the league in GF. That means the entire team didn't produce. You can't rely on 1 person to do everything, so if the team can't set up scoring chances how is Toffoli supposed to produce.

The main benefit of dumping Pearson was getting out from under his 3 years of nearly $4M salary. The Kings hadn't blown up the team yet at that point and were trying to make tweaks to salvage the season. This afforded them the cap space to make other moves. When it was apparent that the Kings needed to blow it up, the Muzzin trade happened and cap no longer became a concern. Pearson had a terrible season in 2017-18 also, and that was the year that several Kings players had career years. He had been a disappointment for a while.

Toffoli didn't have a bad season, he had an unlucky one. If you look at all his numbers, his scoring chances, expected goals for, high quality scoring chances, etc. were all on par with his career average. He hit an unbelievable amount of goal posts, had 3 goals called back (2 for offsides, 1 for goaltender interference), and played most of the season on a line with Jeff Carter, who was a shade of his old self, thus severely limiting the amount of assists he got. His shooting percentage was a full 4% lower than his career average. He's a player that is just screaming for regression.

The Kings aren't going to sell low on Toffoli. He's only 27. He's young enough to be a part of the rebuild. They'll shop him this summer for a premium asking price, and if there are no takers, they'll keep him. They'll shop him again at the trade deadline, and if there's no one willing to pay their asking price, they'll keep him and re-sign him to a short- to mid-term contract in the summer.

MTL's 1st,2nd and 3rd line have about a difference of about 60 seconds
between them something you'd know if you paid attention to the systems you're commenting on
not just assuming every team plays your teams style . . . . . . . . that's common sense .

MTL's players get their minutes on special teams not in the top 6 at the expense of those in the bottom 6
Claude has ALWAYS played a 4 line system usually relying on his 4th line for 12-14 minutes where as here he can only get 10-12 currently .
top 2 lines always share top minute responsibility here's a link showing that in the first 12 games of last year .

Claude will only continue this practice sharing minutes getting players like Domi , Danault , Drouin and Tatar more on special teams
that's just Claude , always has been , always will be until he retires

http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/linechart.html

that's a weak defense
if i said that about Hudon who legit had an unlucky one having his minutes handed to Armia because Kotkanemi needed a Finnish Mentor to help him adjust to north america even though Hudon earned his spot in Camp he lost it long term to Armia . (Lehkonen -KK-Hudon had success in camp and was thought to be the starting trio )

that's bad luck especially when Armia scored at 40% efficiency and Hudon the year before had 42% with more hits , blocked shots and faceoffs taken /win rate . Hudon overall was the better player but he didnt speak Finnish sadly .

what you just gave was an excuse for why a Veteran didnt step up after his Team traded a Core Member .
if anything Toffoli should have imporved not declined same as Byron did when Weise and Fleischman left hitting career highs at the exact same age Toffoli is .
Byron didnt need excuses , he stepped up for his team
Toffoli did not

Hudon doesn't have any 30g seasons under his belt. Toffoli does.

Blake will dangle Toffoli at a premium price. If someone wants to (over?)pay, then Kings will trade him. Otherwise he's staying put.

you're ignoring Context in hopes i dont get hung up on how innaccurate that ''bad luck '' comment was
(aka willfully manipulating the subject matter )

i said Bad luck is the situation Hudon was in not Toffoli which is irrelevant to any season but last in context
if Hudon was in Toffoli's situation last year he would have taken advantage of being played every game

Toffoli didnt and no amount of bringing up the past changes that .
like i tell habs fans when they boast about the dynasty years , that's over and this is now .
Toffoli's shown as much signs of being a 30 goal scorer as Mccarron has of becoming an NHLer
sure its possible , but the odds are not favorable .

Blake's been Dangling Toffoli 2 summers and a TDL now
he's gotten no interest because of the cap hit vs production
MTL kicked the tires on him in the Pacioretty deal and again last summer
they asked for Lehkonen to and talks ended quickly after that as Lehkonen since day 1 has been Juliens favorite player he brags up in the media more then any other .

Toffoli hasnt just hit the market , Blake's done everything possible trying to land him a new home but no one's interested .
DET had the same issues moving Tatar but Seattle hit a playoff run straight out the gate and bought high on him .
IF LAK is to get more then it will only be from Seattle only IMO

Toffoli wasn't on the market until TDL 2019. Before Stevens was fired there weren't even any Toffoli trade rumors, let alone actual trade talk. The reason why he wasn't traded at the deadline is that Blake isn't willing to sell low. The trade value of every Kings player (except Campbell and Clifford) are at an all time low due to the terrible season the team just had. It's in the Kings best interest to hold on to their assets and give them a chance to rebound. If a team wants to pay a premium for Toffoli, then there's a deal to be made. If not, he's not going to be traded. I would say it's a 50/50 chance that he stays.

You obviously didn't watch watch Toffoli play at all last year if you think he had a bad season. The numbers are down, but Toffoli, Brown, and Clifford were the only forwards that regularly showed up every game. Go look up his advanced stats. His numbers are the definition of bad puck luck.

Toffoli is a 30 goal scorer. That's not debatable. The odds are not only favorable, but guaranteed because it has happened already. Hudon, on the other hand, has been included in just about every trade proposal made by Habs fans over the last two seasons. There's a reason for that. He's a replacement-level player.

As a Habs fan, I'd take both those in a heartbeat. Sadly, LAK nor Gardiner would.