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PHI trades with TOR MTL and Nashville

Created by: Hammerwise
Initial Creation Date: Jan 21, 2020
Published: Jan 22 at 7:12 am
Team: 2019-20 Philadelphia Flyers
Trades
PHI
  1. Kulak, Brett
  2. Juulsen, Noah
  3. 2020 4th round pick (ANA)
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
MTL
  1. van Riemsdyk, James
PHI
  1. Dermott, Travis
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
TOR
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  2. Myers, Philippe
  3. Laberge, Pascal
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
Additional Details:
1mil retained on Gotisbehere for 2019-2020
PHI
  1. Forsberg, Filip
NSH
  1. Braun, Justin
  2. Zamula, Yegor
  3. Sandström, Felix
  4. O'Brien, Jay [Reserve List]
  5. 2020 4th round pick (ANA)
  6. 2020 4th round pick (NSH)
  7. 2020 2nd round pick (PHI)
Buyouts
  • Andrew MacDonald: $1,166,667
  • David Schlemko: $900,000
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Radko Gudas: $1,005,000 (30%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
MTL
2021
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
2022
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$77,293,689$0$3,357,500$4,206,311
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PHI
Giroux, Claude
$8,275,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
PHI
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 3
PHI
Konecny, Travis
$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
NSH
Forsberg, Filip
$6,000,000
LW
UFA - 3
PHI
Hayes, Kevin
$7,142,857
C
NMC
UFA - 7
PHI
Voracek, Jakub
$8,250,000
RW
UFA - 5
PHI
Farabee, Joel
$925,000
LW
RFA - 3
PHI
Patrick, Nolan
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
PHI
Raffl, Michael
$1,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
PHI
Laughton, Scott
$2,300,000
C
UFA - 2
PHI
Pitlick, Tyler
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
PHI
Frost, Morgan
$863,333
C
RFA - 3
PHI
Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
$700,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PHI
Provorov, Ivan
$6,750,000
LD
UFA - 6
PHI
Niskanen, Matt
$5,750,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
PHI
Hart, Carter
$730,833
G
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
PHI
Sanheim, Travis
$3,250,000
RD
RFA - 2
PHI
Elliott, Brian
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1
PHI
Hägg, Robert
$1,150,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PHI
Morin, Samuel
$700,000
LD
RFA - 2
PHI
Lindblom, Oskar
$925,000
LW
RFA - 1

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Jan 22 at 7:31
#1
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Edited Jan 22 at 7:38
After i saw TML trade i first had to check which your favourite Team is......your buddies will hang you for this one......
Jan 22 at 8:06
#2
Philadelphia Flyers
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Edited Jan 22 at 8:38
Quoting: Laudan
After i saw TML trade i first had to check which your favourite Team is......your buddies will hang you for this one......


Probably selected the wrong team from the drop down menusmile I know it's just fantasy but the Flyers are pretty high on Zamula and Myers. Braun will not be a big loss however.
Jan 22 at 8:28
#3
get off my lawn...
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Toronto accepts!!!!!
Jan 22 at 8:39
#4
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Yeah that's not gonna get you Flip Forsberg
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Jan 22 at 8:43
#5
Pmwalker
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Horrible moves for Philly
Jan 22 at 8:47
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Toronto accepts!!!!!


I'm not 100% convinced. Myers obviously has some nice potential but not sure he's quite ready for the #1 pairing minutes Toronto would have to give him. Ghost @ 3.5 is nice assuming he returns to his previous form, no guarantee of that happening (he hasn't looked awesome this year) and it's not a slam dunk he's that much better then Dermott right now. The prospect is a potential guy but already 21 and played in the ECHL this year, so no guarantee he turns out to be anything.

Kap is their major trade chip, they would have to be sure to be getting rid of him. I do think this trade probably makes Toronto better, but I would want to make sure this is the best possible deal before pulling the trigger. Losing Kap is bad and hurts the team, we should only move him if we're absolutely sure.
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Jan 22 at 9:29
#7
MAXimum DOMInation
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Lollllll need more for Forsberg not a bunch of scraps
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Jan 22 at 9:32
#8
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If I am the Leafs, I would be more than willing to do Dermott and Kapanen for Myers and Laughton. A 2-for-2 deal, no extra pieces. For the Leafs, Dermott's LH spot would then be filled by Sandin permanently, and Laughton could take over 3C from Kerfoot, who would shift to the wing.
Jan 22 at 9:33
#9
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Toronto trade big Yikes for Philly. JVR for scraps? Cmon he’s 28 with 3 years left at 7m after this season that’s very manageable. Don’t need to move him for scraps. He leaves a big hole for Philly as a net front scorer if you move him.
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Jan 22 at 11:15
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Quoting: newballcoach
I'm not 100% convinced. Myers obviously has some nice potential but not sure he's quite ready for the #1 pairing minutes Toronto would have to give him. Ghost @ 3.5 is nice assuming he returns to his previous form, no guarantee of that happening (he hasn't looked awesome this year) and it's not a slam dunk he's that much better then Dermott right now. The prospect is a potential guy but already 21 and played in the ECHL this year, so no guarantee he turns out to be anything.

Kap is their major trade chip, they would have to be sure to be getting rid of him. I do think this trade probably makes Toronto better, but I would want to make sure this is the best possible deal before pulling the trigger. Losing Kap is bad and hurts the team, we should only move him if we're absolutely sure.


That was my thinking, dermott for myers, is a Toronto gain, but ghost for kapanen is a philly gain, laberge and a 3rd probably a tad high.
Jan 22 at 11:18
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Quoting: Jaycee
Toronto trade big Yikes for Philly. JVR for scraps? Cmon he’s 28 with 3 years left at 7m after this season that’s very manageable. Don’t need to move him for scraps. He leaves a big hole for Philly as a net front scorer if you move him.

For me, I'm not a JVR fan, 7mil for a 25-30 goal, 45-50 pt guy is okay, but JVR is pretty one dimensional. To me, its cap space, its a young RH Juulsen, depth in Kulak, and two middling picks, basically a slight underpayment from MTL, but it frees PHI up cap space, to improve top six. But I see your point
Jan 22 at 11:22
#12
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Quoting: JOFA
Yeah that's not gonna get you Flip Forsberg


If things don't turn around in NASH, I don't think its too bad, Zemula is a very good d prospect who was great at the WJC, O'Brien is looking very good, man among boys versus weak competition, braun makes the salaries work and doesn't hurt NASH, Sandstrom is a solid goalie prospect, and a 2nd and 2 4ths is pretty good. IMO, its two good prospects, a hit and miss (sandstrom), a 2nd, 2 4ths and an expiring salary. Maybe, not enough, but not too far off
Jan 22 at 11:34
#13
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Overall, In my opinion, I think some of these are close, and work for both teams. To get value, you have to give value.

Overall, the flyers get cap space, get younger, have better offense, slightly weaker defense. Losing older JVR, Ghost and Braun, (only mid aged Forsberg, kulak coming back) while bring in Dermott, Kapanen, Juulsen, while losing prospect depth and young quality guys in Myers and Zemula. The Flyers lose a bit on defense, losing braun, myers and ghost, but bringing in dermott, juulsen and kulak. The loss at forward of JVR is offset by addition of Forsberg and kapanen. The flyers without Patrick and lindblom still have ample prospects at forward: ratcliffe, Allison, brink, frost, farabee and have a younger defense in the nhl with prospects like ginning, York, etc still to come.

I think it helps MTL with a top six goal scoring winger, it helps TOR with defense, it helps NASH with a good influx of quality prospects.
Jan 22 at 1:25
#14
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Quoting: Hammerwise
If things don't turn around in NASH, I don't think its too bad, Zemula is a very good d prospect who was great at the WJC, O'Brien is looking very good, man among boys versus weak competition, braun makes the salaries work and doesn't hurt NASH, Sandstrom is a solid goalie prospect, and a 2nd and 2 4ths is pretty good. IMO, its two good prospects, a hit and miss (sandstrom), a 2nd, 2 4ths and an expiring salary. Maybe, not enough, but not too far off


These guys are not even in your top 10 for prospects. Nashville has tons of average prospects already why would they need more. If they would look to move Forsberg they would be looking at top prospects and/or a good selections of picks. Quality over quantity
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Jan 23 at 10:48
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Quoting: Hammerwise
If things don't turn around in NASH, I don't think its too bad, Zemula is a very good d prospect who was great at the WJC, O'Brien is looking very good, man among boys versus weak competition, braun makes the salaries work and doesn't hurt NASH, Sandstrom is a solid goalie prospect, and a 2nd and 2 4ths is pretty good. IMO, its two good prospects, a hit and miss (sandstrom), a 2nd, 2 4ths and an expiring salary. Maybe, not enough, but not too far off

No, it's not defensible. If you want a core player, give up a core player. None of those guys are core players nor are they likely to become such.
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