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Big Columbus Trade

Created by: JacobSmells
Initial Creation Date: Jan 31, 2020
Published: Jan 31 at 12:27 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Columbus isnt likely to do this trade unless they think Peeke is ready to replace Savard and they believe that bracco is ready to jump in and help their NHL team, because theyre still in the thick of things and fighting for the playoffs. Ceci is just a salary equalizer
Lines are for playoffs when salary cap doesnt matter, until then to stay cap compliant leafs will need to send engvall and sandin back to marlies when everyone is healthy
Trades
TOR
  1. Savard, David
CBJ
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Bracco, Jeremy
  3. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$83,966,310$0$70,000-$2,466,310
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
CBJ
Savard, David
$4,250,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1

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Jan 31 at 12:29
#1
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Leafs decline as they have no interest in trading Ceci who has found a new home in Toronto and is starting to look rock solid on defence.
Jan 31 at 12:30
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I just vomited in my mouth.
CBJ could and would trade Savard for a decent prospect and a 1st before the package above, or a scoring winger. Someone would pony up for a shut down right side D man who plays with an edge when needed, eats up big minutes, and doesn’t take many penalties. Good all around team guy.
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Jan 31 at 12:34
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Quoting: TMLSage
Leafs decline as they have no interest in trading Ceci who has found a new home in Toronto and is starting to look rock solid on defence.


please tell me you are being sarcastic / joking
Jan 31 at 12:38
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Quoting: Wqrrior
please tell me you are being sarcastic / joking


No, Ceci is the best Leaf defensive RHD right now....You must be reading too much on CapFriendly about Ceci and not watching the games. Now I don't think CBJ should do the deal because of Savard's term and the fact Bracco will probably never be an NHLer.
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Jan 31 at 12:41
#5
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Jacob Smells
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
I just vomited in my mouth.
CBJ could and would trade Savard for a decent prospect and a 1st before the package above, or a scoring winger. Someone would pony up for a shut down right side D man who plays with an edge when needed, eats up big minutes, and doesn’t take many penalties. Good all around team guy.

I would like you to google the following trades: Subban to NJ trade, Faulk to St. Louis trade, Niskanen to Philly trade, Braun to Philly trade, Oleksiak to Dallas trade, Ian Cole to Columbus trade, and Sami Vatanen to NJ trade
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Jan 31 at 12:49
#6
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Jacob Smells
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Quoting: palhal
No, Ceci is the best Leaf defensive RHD right now....You must be reading too much on CapFriendly about Ceci and not watching the games. Now I don't think CBJ should do the deal because of Savard's term and the fact Bracco will probably never be an NHLer.


I promise you, you would like Savard just as much Ceci and he has another year left on his contract
Jan 31 at 12:55
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Quoting: Wqrrior
please tell me you are being sarcastic / joking


Actually ceci hasn’t been bad. He has steadily been getting better. Has been solid defensively and making smarter plays offensively. To trade for savard only to lose ceci and Dermott from the lineup is not really any further ahead.

Not that it fixes the value of this trade.
Jan 31 at 12:58
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Quoting: Wqrrior
please tell me you are being sarcastic / joking


Under Keefe, Ceci has been solid. Could he be better? I suppose but I think you and most of capfriendly are hung up too much on his 4.5 million cap hit and not really paying attention to his play.

Think of how bad he was in Ottawa and how he is with the Leafs. Definitely alot better.
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Jan 31 at 12:59
#9
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Quoting: JacobSmells
I promise you, you would like Savard just as much Ceci and he has another year left on his contract


I never said the Leafs wouldn't like the trade, and never said Savard isn't better than Ceci. Agree with you having Savard for another year is beneficial to any team. But I did say right now Ceci is the best defensive RHD the Leafs have right now.
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Jan 31 at 1:02
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Columbus declines. Savard LD term makes him more valuable then Ceci is. Ceci is good when protected from the top 6 of an opposing team, in Columbus he’d have to be second pair and Jones can’t play vs everyone top six all night. Peeke isn’t ready, if he were he’d be in the NHL now... Columbus also has no need for Bracco and he hold no value to the as we have no need for RWs... Bracco would end up back in the AHL again as he’d need to be in a top 9 role and isn’t great at 4th duties.

Savard is Columbus best defensive defenseman and even though Ceci is getting better he’d be a rental, and as Columbus is in the thick of the playoff race we’d want to get better... not even and lose a guy like that as a UFA at the end of they year again...

If Columbus falls out of the playoff picture bug time by the deadline how about a Savard for Ceci and Brooks as Columbus needs to find a second line center and Brooks could be that at his max potential,and a conditional 2nd that if Toronto misses the playoffs it becomes a 3rd.
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Jan 31 at 1:06
#11
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Quoting: JacobSmells
I promise you, you would like Savard just as much Ceci and he has another year left on his contract


Quoting: oneX
Under Keefe, Ceci has been solid. Could he be better? I suppose but I think you and most of capfriendly are hung up too much on his 4.5 million cap hit and not really paying attention to his play.

Think of how bad he was in Ottawa and how he is with the Leafs. Definitely alot better.


Part of Ceci's problem with Ottawa, is he played on a bad team with some below average NHL Dmen. That can make any Dman look bad when his face is smacked against the class constantly.
Thanks for pointing out fans obsession with Ceci's cap hit, like it's the only overpaid paid contract in the league. Gee, I look at the Sharks with their three Dmen making 26.5m with term that takes them to mid and late thirties.
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Jan 31 at 1:09
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Edited Jan 31 at 2:09
Quoting: JacobSmells
I would like you to google the following trades: Subban to NJ trade, Faulk to St. Louis trade, Niskanen to Philly trade, Braun to Philly trade, Oleksiak to Dallas trade, Ian Cole to Columbus trade, and Sami Vatanen to NJ trade


Ceci is crap on blades. Just because you say he’s good doesn’t make it so. He has better +\- numbers this year, but hey he is on a much better team with a better playing partner. Go figure, his numbers HAVE to be better because they couldn’t get any worse. Bracco is on his final entry level year and hasn’t even played a down yet. CBJ already has one of those, in Milano, who has “upside” and skill. Yet still can’t find his way into the lineup. Everyone knows Leafs are desperate for a quality D man, especially on the right side. Not to mention that Savard has term left, so not a true rental. So bring an offer, the only thing that package above gets you is a dial tone.
A team at/above playoff bar is not trading a shut down guy for nothing they want or need...spare parts and a 4th.
The Subban deal was not a comparable. Nashville was going to lose him for nothing, and his scoring dropped down to like 30 points his final year. Nashville got what they could for an aging top tier D knowing they weren’t going to get more, didn’t want to lose him for nothing, and didn’t want to re-up him at his asking price of like $10m USD, and if I remember correctly the trade was made during the NHL draft.
Jan 31 at 1:12
#13
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Columbus declines. Savard LD term makes him more valuable then Ceci is. Ceci is good when protected from the top 6 of an opposing team, in Columbus he’d have to be second pair and Jones can’t play vs everyone top six all night. Peeke isn’t ready, if he were he’d be in the NHL now... Columbus also has no need for Bracco and he hold no value to the as we have no need for RWs... Bracco would end up back in the AHL again as he’d need to be in a top 9 role and isn’t great at 4th duties.

Savard is Columbus best defensive defenseman and even though Ceci is getting better he’d be a rental, and as Columbus is in the thick of the playoff race we’d want to get better... not even and lose a guy like that as a UFA at the end of they year again...

If Columbus falls out of the playoff picture bug time by the deadline how about a Savard for Ceci and Brooks as Columbus needs to find a second line center and Brooks could be that at his max potential,and a conditional 2nd that if Toronto misses the playoffs it becomes a 3rd.


Sorry, Ceci has been playing fine despite the rumour of this top 6 nonsense. Seems like so many fans that all the Leafs Dmen need "sheltered", and that no one can play against the other teams top six. Who did Keefe have out for the last minute and half against Dallas with Dallas down by a goal and the goalie out.....Ceci.
Now I agree Columbus doesn't do that trade. Your suggestion about Brooks....don't think he could ever be a NHL 2nd line centre. He might have a problem being a NHL difference maker at all.
Jan 31 at 1:16
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Quoting: palhal
Sorry, Ceci has been playing fine despite the rumour of this top 6 nonsense. Seems like so many fans that all the Leafs Dmen need "sheltered", and that no one can play against the other teams top six. Who did Keefe have out for the last minute and half against Dallas with Dallas down by a goal and the goalie out.....Ceci.
Now I agree Columbus doesn't do that trade. Your suggestion about Brooks....don't think he could ever be a NHL 2nd line centre. He might have a problem being a NHL difference maker at all.


Honestly I’ve always liked Ceci. He got a bad rap in Ottawa and at the beginning of the season. If you’ve be willing to sell him at the deadline I hope Columbus would pick him up as he could be 3rd pair with Nuttivaara and make a great top 6 D core.

As for brooks I was going off what I saw in juniors, he was really good for his team and was the driving force on the team if I remember correctly.
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Jan 31 at 1:25
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Honestly I’ve always liked Ceci. He got a bad rap in Ottawa and at the beginning of the season. If you’ve be willing to sell him at the deadline I hope Columbus would pick him up as he could be 3rd pair with Nuttivaara and make a great top 6 D core.

As for brooks I was going off what I saw in juniors, he was really good for his team and was the driving force on the team if I remember correctly.


Your right about Brooks as junior...but as we have seen good high juniors or even good high scoring AHLers often don't have NHL skills. Brooks was bypassed in two NHL drafts and was a fourth rounder in an overage season. Wish him well, but like Bracco, don't think either will be major contributors in the NHL if at all.
Ceci: Leaf are in a playoff race, are razor thin with NHL Dmen depth especially with Reilly out. Ceci just can't be traded because he is needed (I've saying that since October). Actually I've said Barrie has been the Leafs worse Dman this season. Both have picked up their game and the Leaf three RHD have shown they can be NHL competent. The Leafs left side is their strongest.
Sure going to be a dogfight in the both Conferences for playoff spots. Might have trouble making trades as only a few teams might be considered sellers at TDL.
Jan 31 at 1:28
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
Ceci is crap on blades. Just because you say he’s good doesn’t make it so. He has better +\- numbers this year, but hey he is on a much better team with a better playing partner. Go figure, his numbers HAVE to be better because they couldn’t get any worse. Bracco is on his final entry level year and hasn’t even played a down yet. CBJ already has one of those, in Milano, who has “upside” and skill. It still can’t find his way into the lineup. Everyone knows Leafs are desperate for a quality D man, especially on the right side. Not to mention that Savard has term left, so not a true rental. So bring an offer, the only thing that package above gets you is a dial tone.
A team at/above playoff bar is not trading a shut down guy for nothing they want or need...spare parts and a 4th.


The reality of the situation is that the Leafs have no interest in trading Ceci and will most likely be resigning him as a UFA after the season ends as he is really developing into a great defenceman under the coaching of Sheldon Keefe with the Leafs. I have stopped drinking the Savard kool-aid as realized it was making me sick. If he is such a great defenceman then why is he in so many trade rumours of leaving Columbus?
Jan 31 at 1:34
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Honestly I’ve always liked Ceci. He got a bad rap in Ottawa and at the beginning of the season. If you’ve be willing to sell him at the deadline I hope Columbus would pick him up as he could be 3rd pair with Nuttivaara and make a great top 6 D core.

As for brooks I was going off what I saw in juniors, he was really good for his team and was the driving force on the team if I remember correctly.


Agree with your comments. I really, really like Adam Brooks and he put up absolutely mind boggling points playing for Regina Pats in final year with Sam Steel of the Ducks. I do not think the book is yet out on him in the NHL as only played 5 games but has 3 points. He is a good 2 way centre and played for Sheldon Keefe with the Marlies so still think he has a chance to play in 3rd or 4th line centre role for the Leafs but his real chance may be comming next year.

Do not think Leafs can risk trading Ceci at this point because he is playing really good hockey now on the right side. He is a former 1rst round draft choice with good size and is only 26 years old and I think the Leafs are really going to try to resign him as a UFA after the season.
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Jan 31 at 1:37
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Quoting: TMLSage
The reality of the situation is that the Leafs have no interest in trading Ceci and will most likely be resigning him as a UFA after the season ends as he is really developing into a great defenceman under the coaching of Sheldon Keefe with the Leafs. I have stopped drinking the Savard kool-aid as realized it was making me sick. If he is such a great defenceman then why is he in so many trade rumours of leaving Columbus?


He’s really only in trade rumblers from Toronto fans going to Toronto. We in Columbus have no intent in wanting to trade him.
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Jan 31 at 1:44
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Quoting: Ajp_18
He’s really only in trade rumblers from Toronto fans going to Toronto. We in Columbus have no intent in wanting to trade him.


That makes total sense. I think with Jones, Werenski and Savard that Columbus has a really solid defence core which has been a team strong point. I also think Tortorella is doing an absolutely brilliant job coaching the team after all the player losses and should be a finalist for the coach of the year award.
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Jan 31 at 4:47
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Quoting: TMLSage
Leafs decline as they have no interest in trading Ceci who has found a new home in Toronto and is starting to look rock solid on defence.


I don't know what eyes you have if you think Ceci looks defensively solid. He's always behind the play and his stick must be allergic to the ice or something. On top of that he's in the bottom 10% of almost any defensive category, while Savard is more or less the polar opposite - an advanced metric gem that would be very highly rated if he didn't play for the jackets.

What's so interesting is that Savard is basically what Ceci would look like if he was good at everything he's not good at. Being large and a former first rounder has literally no positive effect on your hockey ability in a vacuum - ask Brayden Point. There are players that use their size with functional physicality, Ceci is definitely not one of them.
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Jan 31 at 1:31
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Quoting: palhal
No, Ceci is the best Leaf defensive RHD right now....You must be reading too much on CapFriendly about Ceci and not watching the games. Now I don't think CBJ should do the deal because of Savard's term and the fact Bracco will probably never be an NHLer.


Even still, Savard is the better defenseman and TOR should do that trade in an instant... to see TOR declining this deal is laughable as it is heavily one-sided.

A defenseman who is cheaper, more reliable and on longer term is an upgrade on somebody who has been marred with inconsistency.

I'm not low on Ceci like most people are, but I know that he is not in the same category as Savard in any conversation.
Jan 31 at 2:21
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Even still, Savard is the better defenseman and TOR should do that trade in an instant... to see TOR declining this deal is laughable as it is heavily one-sided.

A defenseman who is cheaper, more reliable and on longer term is an upgrade on somebody who has been marred with inconsistency.

I'm not low on Ceci like most people are, but I know that he is not in the same category as Savard in any conversation.


Oh, a agree with you that Columbus shouldn't do the deal. One more year of Savard isn't compensated enough by Bracco and the 4th. And Savard is better than Ceci.
But it's rubbish to say in the opening post that Ceci is just cap equalization.
Feb 1 at 3:08
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Quoting: MelonVK
I don't know what eyes you have if you think Ceci looks defensively solid. He's always behind the play and his stick must be allergic to the ice or something. On top of that he's in the bottom 10% of almost any defensive category, while Savard is more or less the polar opposite - an advanced metric gem that would be very highly rated if he didn't play for the jackets.

What's so interesting is that Savard is basically what Ceci would look like if he was good at everything he's not good at. Being large and a former first rounder has literally no positive effect on your hockey ability in a vacuum - ask Brayden Point. There are players that use their size with functional physicality, Ceci is definitely not one of them.


See this tells me you haven't been watching Ceci at all. Under Keefe he's been better. In no way am I comparing him to Savard...Leafs have Ceci and people like to hate on him because of the cap hit or whatever other silly reasons.

I fully believe Ceci will be with the Leafs for the rest of the season for a few reasons. Now whether he stays beyond this season...that's kind of up in the air as of right now.
 
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