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We Couldve Had This Unstoppable Team

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Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 17, 2020
Published: Mar. 18, 2020
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These are the moves that I think Pens should’ve made over the years.
Trades
1.
PIT
    Phil Kessel
    TOR
      Beau Bennett
      Derrick Pouliot
      2016 1st Round Pick

      *Pens Keep Kapanen
      2.
      3.
      PIT
        Matt Niskanen
        WSH
        1. Schultz, Justin
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        2017 1st Round Pick
        4.
        PIT
        1. Niskanen, Matt
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        Matt Niskanen
        PHI
        5.
        DAL
          2019 4th Round Pick
          6.
          PIT
            Jared McCann
            FLA
              Riley Sheahan
              7.
              PIT
              1. Marner, Mitchell ($1,893,000 retained)
              TOR
              1. Hörnqvist, Patric
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              Ian Cole
              Zachary Lauzon
              Filip Gustavsson
              2018 1st Round Pick
              8.
              9.
              DET
              1. Kahun, Dominik
              2. Simon, Dominik
              3. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
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              2020
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              2021
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              2022
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              ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
              23$81,500,000$79,886,625$132,500$982,500$1,613,375

              Roster

              Left WingCentreRight Wing
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              $5,500,000$5,500,000
              LW, RW
              M-NTC
              UFA - 4
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              $8,700,000$8,700,000
              C
              NMC
              UFA - 6
              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
              $3,200,000$3,200,000
              RW
              UFA - 3
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $4,500,000$4,500,000
              LW, RW
              UFA - 5
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $9,500,000$9,500,000
              C
              NMC
              UFA - 3
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $3,500,000$3,500,000
              RW, LW
              UFA - 3
              Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
              $1,400,000$1,400,000
              LW, RW
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $1,250,000$1,250,000
              C, LW
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
              $9,000,000$9,000,000
              RW
              UFA - 6
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $1,000,000$1,000,000
              LW, RW
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $3,500,000$3,500,000
              LW, RW
              M-NTC
              UFA - 6
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $750,000$750,000
              C, LW
              UFA - 2
              Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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              $4,100,000$4,100,000
              LD
              M-NTC
              UFA - 4
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $7,250,000$7,250,000
              RD
              M-NTC, NMC
              UFA - 3
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $3,750,000$3,750,000
              G
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Dallas Stars
              $2,137,500$2,137,500
              LD/RD
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
              $5,750,000$5,750,000
              RD
              M-NTC
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $675,000$675,000
              G
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $874,125$874,125
              LD
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
              RD
              UFA - 2
              ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $700,000$700,000
              LW, C
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $2,050,000$2,050,000
              C, RW
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $767,500$767,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
              RW, C, LW
              UFA - 1
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $3,250,000$3,250,000
              LD
              UFA - 4
              Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
              $850,000$850,000
              LD
              UFA - 1

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              Mar. 18, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.
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              When did you get a chance to take Marner?
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 1:02 p.m.
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              Quoting: Hockeytor15
              When did you get a chance to take Marner?


              In the first half of 2017/18, Marner really struggled to find his game. Him & Babcock weren’t on good terms & he got put on the fourth line with Moore & Martin as a result. At that point, he was on verge of becoming a bust. The Penguins should’ve taken the chance to trade for him instead of Brassard.
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 1:07 p.m.
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              Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
              In the first half of 2017/18, Marner really struggled to find his game. Him & Babcock weren’t on good terms & he got put on the fourth line with Moore & Martin as a result. At that point, he was on verge of becoming a bust. The Penguins should’ve taken the chance to trade for him instead of Brassard.


              No way the leaf's would trade him. Your a penguins fan predenting to be a leaf's fan and hating on Dubas
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 1:09 p.m.
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              Quoting: Hockeytor15
              No way the leaf's would trade him. Your a penguins fan predenting to be a leaf's fan and hating on Dubas


              They would trade him if the price was right. I offered a significant package in this trade.
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              Mar. 18, 2020 at 1:13 p.m.
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              Edited Mar. 18, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
              @MajesticWalrus @datools @Chigurrhh @Yojimbo @gaudetster @pens3lieve @CHUG @IgorKutchakokov

              What'd you guys think of my hindsight team?
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              Mar. 18, 2020 at 1:39 p.m.
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              U ever made a hindsight Sens Roster? Hint hint, their squad would be amazing if some stuff hadn't been traded
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              Mar. 18, 2020 at 2:09 p.m.
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              The most egregious thing about this post is that you give the Red Wings Dominik Kahun. Please give him back to his favorite team, thanks.
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 3:16 p.m.
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              Quoting: MitchMarnerElite


              Fun but Pens don't win in '16 and '17 without Phil
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 3:23 p.m.
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              Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
              In the first half of 2017/18, Marner really struggled to find his game. Him & Babcock weren’t on good terms & he got put on the fourth line with Moore & Martin as a result. At that point, he was on verge of becoming a bust. The Penguins should’ve taken the chance to trade for him instead of Brassard.


              Lol
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 4:18 p.m.
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              Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
              U ever made a hindsight Sens Roster? Hint hint, their squad would be amazing if some stuff hadn't been traded


              Duchene, Zibanejad, Stone, Karlsson etc. A legit contender for sure. Too bad they all hated the owner.
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              Mar. 18, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
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              Quoting: CFMan
              The most egregious thing about this post is that you give the Red Wings Dominik Kahun. Please give him back to his favorite team, thanks.


              Kahun doesnt have an NTC so he has no say about where he goes. Wings can always trade him back to CHI for Andrew Shaw.
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 4:29 p.m.
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              Edited Mar. 18, 2020 at 5:39 p.m.
              Quoting: datools
              Fun but Pens don't win in '16 and '17 without Phil


              I agree but in my hindsight team, I still had Phil. I just traded a different package to get him, then dealt him for Zucker like in real life. Pens in 17/18 would’ve been a force that could’ve 3 peated with a line up like this:

              Jake-Sid-Kappy
              Hags-Geno-ZAR
              Simon-Marner-Kessel
              ZAR-Sheahan-Kunhackl

              Dumo-Tanger
              Määttä-Niskanen
              Oleksiak-Ruhwedel

              Murray
              DeSmith

              Could’ve traded Sheary for a defenseman better than Ruhwedel as well.
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 4:35 p.m.
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              Quoting: Ritzy
              Lol


              What’d you mean?
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 6:02 p.m.
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              Quoting: MitchMarnerElite



              Quoting: datools
              Fun but Pens don't win in '16 and '17 without Phil


              Impossible to know if those trades would have gone through...as we can't read GMs minds...I get you love Marner, but he didn't take a discount to play with the stars there, who says he would have here?
              In 2016, HBK may never have been found with Marner on the team...with Kappanen and Marner, I think the pens might have fallen into the trap of trying to outscore their mistakes a year or two early...more skill isn't always better. Exhibit A-toronto.
              GMJR also went through that phase of trying to acquire toughness and grit...who knows what happens then?
              Anyway, hindsight, as evidenced, is much better than 20/20. Its especially true in drafts, where studs like Guentzel, kucherov, and many more didn't go 1st round.
              I'm fine with the team because with hindsight, pretty much anything's on the table.
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.
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              Quoting: Pens3lieve
              Impossible to know if those trades would have gone through...as we can't read GMs minds...I get you love Marner, but he didn't take a discount to play with the stars there, who says he would have here?
              In 2016, HBK may never have been found with Marner on the team...with Kappanen and Marner, I think the pens might have fallen into the trap of trying to outscore their mistakes a year or two early...more skill isn't always better. Exhibit A-toronto.
              GMJR also went through that phase of trying to acquire toughness and grit...who knows what happens then?
              Anyway, hindsight, as evidenced, is much better than 20/20. Its especially true in drafts, where studs like Guentzel, kucherov, and many more didn't go 1st round.
              I'm fine with the team because with hindsight, pretty much anything's on the table.


              Thanks for commenting. The thing with Marner was that in Toronto, none of the star players took a discount, so as he was negotiating with his comparables, he had no reason to either. In Pittsburgh it’s a different situation cuz you’ve got Sid taking less, Geno with a good contract, Jake taking a big discount. Marner would have way less leverage to get grossly overpaid. For my hindsight team, I still had Kessel on it during then 2015-16 & 2016-17 cup runs. The reason why he’s not on this team is cuz it’s the current season & I still had him being dealt to ARZ for the package that ended up being Zucker. The Pens have tried to become a bigger more physically intimidating team by bringing in Reaves & Gudbranson, but we’ve realized that they play at their best when they have a lineup suited for playing with speed, skill & high intensity. The issue with the Leafs is that they don’t have intensity. There’s not enough checking. On this hindsight team, they do have that. They have the guys that are willing to go into the dirty areas & play a grinding sandpaper type game like Rust, ZAR, Zucker, Tanev, McCann, Blueger & Bertuzzi. That’s plenty of guys who can compliment the finesse of the skilled guys.
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              Mar. 18, 2020 at 6:52 p.m.
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              No Kessel, No HBK, No cup
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 7:11 p.m.
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              Quoting: pharrow
              No Kessel, No HBK, No cup


              I still had Kessel on my hindsight team during those cup runs, I traded Bennett, Pouliot & 1st to acquire him & retained Kapanen. He got dealt afterwards just like in real life.
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 8:06 p.m.
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              Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
              Thanks for commenting. The thing with Marner was that in Toronto, none of the star players took a discount, so as he was negotiating with his comparables, he had no reason to either. In Pittsburgh it’s a different situation cuz you’ve got Sid taking less, Geno with a good contract, Jake taking a big discount. Marner would have way less leverage to get grossly overpaid. For my hindsight team, I still had Kessel on it during then 2015-16 & 2016-17 cup runs. The reason why he’s not on this team is cuz it’s the current season & I still had him being dealt to ARZ for the package that ended up being Zucker. The Pens have tried to become a bigger more physically intimidating team by bringing in Reaves & Gudbranson, but we’ve realized that they play at their best when they have a lineup suited for playing with speed, skill & high intensity. The issue with the Leafs is that they don’t have intensity. There’s not enough checking. On this hindsight team, they do have that. They have the guys that are willing to go into the dirty areas & play a grinding sandpaper type game like Rust, ZAR, Zucker, Tanev, McCann, Blueger & Bertuzzi. That’s plenty of guys who can compliment the finesse of the skilled guys.


              The team is fine now, I think...I just meant in 16,17,18,19...there might not have been enough glue guys but now we have enough....
              Very fair point about Marner taking a discount with Guentzel as a comparable...Although some people are just greedy..."the love of money is the root of all evil" if you know what I mean. Possibly Marner would have ended up taking a bridge like Laine...especially considering he might have played 3rd line and not developed quite as much at this point...
              Mar. 18, 2020 at 8:17 p.m.
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              Quoting: Pens3lieve
              The team is fine now, I think...I just meant in 16,17,18,19...there might not have been enough glue guys but now we have enough....
              Very fair point about Marner taking a discount with Guentzel as a comparable...Although some people are just greedy..."the love of money is the root of all evil" if you know what I mean. Possibly Marner would have ended up taking a bridge like Laine...especially considering he might have played 3rd line and not developed quite as much at this point...


              Yes that would’ve been a possibility as well. 5-6 million for 2-3 year term & then Kessel gets moved opening a spot for him in the top 6.
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              Mar. 19, 2020 at 2:06 a.m.
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              Quoting: MitchMarnerElite


              Definetly a nice looking roster. Marner should be on the top line though
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              Mar. 19, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.
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              Quoting: MajesticWalrus
              Definetly a nice looking roster. Marner should be on the top line though


              Thanks for commenting. I believe Marner would look great with Sid, but I have Kapanen because of his speed. Him & Zucker are gonna do some serious trouble to opposing teams’ defense.
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              Mar. 19, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
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              Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
              Duchene, Zibanejad, Stone, Karlsson etc. A legit contender for sure. Too bad they all hated the owner.


              They had Lehner and bishop as goalies also...
               
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