There was actually an article a while back about Flames AGM, Chris Snow, unfortunately he’s battling ALS, but he’s an analytical whiz.

The Flames has discussions for Risto, but Snow shut it down because of his poor underlying numbers

I'd be fine with replacing Risto with Montour if necessary, but then I'd want CGY to retain a tad more from Lucic's salary...

Flames say thank you.
You know your not gonna be able to sign Dahlin and Jokiharju right?

There's going to be some money trouble coming, that's for sure.,,

I think CGY would have solid interest in Montour over Risto.

That said, unless CGY could find a way to get another middle 6 center for the right price, they might need to see this deal sweetened a bit. Mittelstadt is a tough one to predict...so much potential, but something hasn't clicked yet for him. I should also add I don't know anything about Ryan Johnson, so maybe he's more valuable than I'm budgeting when looking at this deal structure.

+ If there is no CBO option sent from the hockey gods, then Treliving would have to think very long, and very hard about this deal because moving the Lucic contract has major value. I could see a Valimaki - Ristolainen pairing working very well in CGY for a number of years.

Johansson isn’t realy what we are looking for. He doesn’t really get in the tough areas of the ice which is what we need in the 2c. Sure he adds depth but we aren’t paying a 2nd for depth. Like I understand the trade but it’s just not the right team imo.

Take out the 1st, Mitts and Johnson and Buffalo may consider the Calgary deal. Or take out Johnson and the first and add Okposo.

Lol what? Flames dont even take the deal as is currently. You dont get a cheap 1C for taking a cap dump

Lmao

Johnson is a 2018 first round pick. Valuable LHD prospect, no doubt.

I could see CGY going after Söderberg in the free agency. I'm almost certain they will be signing at least one UFA forward.

I like Monahan and have had proposals with him and Buffalo with Reinhart included, and may have undervalued a bit, but Lucic has such a negative value that it isn't worth it for Buffalo to give up 4 assets and take on a cap dump for someone to play 2C.

The trend with winning teams as of late has been that they all have two 1C candidates. Eichel and Monahan bring that effect.

Risto's value is pretty low in the eyes of GMs due to his poor advanced stats. Mittelstadt as a prospect is iffy as his development hasn't gone forward as expected. Johnson is a logical piece to add as BUF has a load of LHDs in the organisation.

Provided the team gets their sh*t together and play with such a roster, that 2021 1st is going to be low one.

Now CGY is the one taking the biggest risk. Monahan is unquestionably the most valuable piece of this exchange. Would they risk losing their 1C and get potentially a mediocre return for him? No, they absolutely won't. It's pointless to move 1Cs unless you're either getting a better player or you're losing the asset for other reasons.

Now, if one adds a horrible contract for them to get rid of in Lucic, the deal changes. Now there's incentive to consider the move.

BUF might also like some grit that Lucic brings. That roster built up there doesn't have much grit and strength. There's just loads of skill. Granted Lucic's contract is horrible, but with retention I believe it's tolerable. As long as BUF gets two 1C candidates and might actually fight for a playoff position first time in a decade...

And unfortunately by lots of accounts the Flames love Lucic. He's probably sticking around another year or two

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This, he is no doubt incredibly overpaid but hes far from useless.
If flames are trading Monahan then the team is rebuilding completely. There is no point getting soon to expire contracts like Risto. There is no trade for Monahan to Buffalo that wouldnt involve one of Cozens or the 2020 1st coming back.

Alright, didn't want to quote the whole thing, but this whole post looks like Tim Murray was rehired with his quick fix plan to just make the playoffs and have no plans for the future. That's of course leaving out that he got an actual starting goalie and first line winger without taking a bad cap dump. This trade is actually worse than the ROR trade to St Louis.

Lmao if that's how you wanna view it then go for it. ROR trade gave you nothing. This will give you C pretty much as valuable as ROR was.

That's my point. We are giving up more for Monahan and taking a cap dump than what we got in return for ROR.

STL bent you over big time. Now you're potentially doing that to CGY. Exactly how this is equivalent to that?

More to the point, this is basically the complete opposite of that.

Risto, Mitts, Johnson and our 1st >>>> Sobotka, Berglund, Thompson and StL 1st and 2nd
Monahan and ROR we can call a wash although I think ROR's game is better all around while Monahan has more offensive upside. Both would be 26 at the time of the deal with ROR coming off a career year and Monahan coming off a low year.
Add in a cap dump in Lucic and I don't see this comparable in too many ways.

Counterpoint.

Let's assume that ROR trade wouldn't have happened. If that was the case, and STL made you the following offer: Faulk+Kyrou+Kostin+1st for ROR+Okposo, would you take it?

BUF got absolutely robbed by STL in the original trade, but it has no merit regarding this deal.

Yeah I wouldn't give a 2nd for him but I really like Johansson, think he would of worked better with Ehlers and Laine then Copp did and he would of had a better season with the Jets then he had in Buffalo.

Would I take that if I was Buffalo? Hell yeah, because I get to dump a bad contract and and although I'm giving up the best player in the deal, I get 3 players with potential and a 1st.

Indeed. In this way it makes sense for both teams. CGY get good assets, BUF gets the best and also worst with benefits.

I don't think Edmonton would go for that. Hutton is pretty much a cap dump - much better goalies are available in free agency for similar money - and Chiasson is a very good net-front presence on the PP. The best PP in over 40 years was 50% better with Chiasson than it was with Neal in front of the net.

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