Really giving Kapanen away here.

Pairings should be Muzzin-Holl, Rielly-Dermott, Oleksiak-Lehtonen.

i dont know much about the leafs pairs so thanks

No thanks from Edmonton. Kerfoot would be a good add, because he could play 3c but I wouldn’t trade all of that for him.

Kerfoot has a better gar is more time played and fits perfect in to the oilers no defense all offense scheme.

Ya I know. I think we could give up less though, not giving up Nygård, with the picks. Maybe a 3rd, or a 4th and a 5th?? But even that I would have to think a lot about to see if I want him that badly.

Columbus doesn’t want Kapanen, but if you’re giving him away at that price we could flip him to Boston for something better.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention.

no way nygard can play top six

Johnsson is better but I'd rather have Foligno. He should be our next captain and you need physical guys like him in the playoffs

have you ever seen an advanced stat? jesus murphy man

I thought you said decent defence not the descent of the defence

Yeah the team is get caved in at 5v5 and hope for PP's. You'll deny it but the truth is in the numbers, Edmonton was one of the worst teams at 5v5 this season. The refs put away their whistles and Edmonton is getting beat 8 out of 10 times.

this is better than the teams current defense? the only players i add to the leafs here are improvements...

Horrible returns to the Leafs in those trades. Why do you think the Leafs have horrible defence? Lots of teams are bunched with the Leafs for about the same GAA. Nashville and their 20m big three are allowed eight fewer goals than the Leafs. Barrie and Ceci won't be back...that's an improvement, and hopefully the Leafs two best Dman Reilly and Muzzin won't be on LTIR.

How does getting caved at 5v5 prove that the team is "all offense and no defense"? Use your head, man, it doesn't. Here's an example:

Toronto
3rd in the league for GF/GP
26th in the league for GA/GP

Edmonton
14th in the league for GF/GP
15th in the league for GA/GP

One of these teams is about average in both offense and defense, while the other is all offense and no defense. They both ended up with nearly identical records: Edmonton posted a .585 winning percentage while Toronto posted .579.


Again, use your own brain instead of parroting dated sayings. If you look at the past few years you'll see that the number of powerplays per game actually went UP during the playoffs, not down. The 'refs putting away their whistles' is an old wives tale.

Take out Edmonton's plus minus from PP/PK, it'll show you that when they are at Evan strength they are not a good team. Even their best two players allow more goals than they score. Look at their possession at even strength, it's around 46% which isn't a good thing, their shot share? Also negative. Expected goals percentage? Once again below 50%. Edmonton is a mirage. They are Washington last year. A team that had terrific special teams but were not good at 5v5. Which is why Carolina beat them in the 1st round. Stay out of the box and Edmonton is going to have too much trouble outscoring their problems. You are likely pretty young, I say that because I was the same type of fan when I was younger. I thought with my heart more than my brain. You tend to be extreme in your thinking so you'll brand me as a hater because I don't agree with you completely but I am a fan of Edmonton, I just see their issues. I have for years, they lack depth and their defence isn't very good and their goaltending is suspect. Their cap management under Chiarelli was absolutely horrible and they haven't had much for player development for at least a decade. Holland may help but I am hesitant to call him a saviour considering the mess he made in Detroit. You have two if the best players in hockey and some good pieces but there is still a tonne of work that needs to be done. To me Edmonton never committed to a rebuild, they are much like Buffalo, get a highly touted 1st rounder and then they think they can contend and either over spend on old ****ty depth or rush other picks who never developed properly. Now instead of accepting that they may need a couple of years to build up, they keep trying to patch holes in an attempt to get over the top. They unfortunately aren't even ready to climb the mountain, let alone reach the top. Still in cap trouble and only looking as good as they do, because they are in the worst division in hockey. Just be patient, it's not hard to find teams that kept thinking they were closer than they were to actually being a good team. I'm a Leafs fan, I have watched John Ferguson Junior, Brian Burke and Dave Nonis jump the gun year after year and it only leads to at best mediocrity and at worst never making the playoffs. Buffalo was the same, as was the Islanders under Snow. If you aren't going to take the time necessary to build a good program, you'll spin your tires and Edmonton may be a playoff team but does anyone think they can go toe to toe with the best teams in the league? I certainly don't, I am not 100% comfortable with them taking on Chicago. Yes they are better and Chicago does suck, but is it unreasonable for Kane to have 2 big games in games 1 and 2, shake the Oilers confidence in their goalies and then it's basically over. The team is still so weak in so many ways.

Imagine if they had a better backup for the 1st half of the season, or if their PK wasn't terrible all year. Where would their GAA be then? Middle of the pack? Now if Rielly wasn't hurt all year or Muzzin, top half? It doesn't take much for them to improve massively and considering they are still so young and likely to get better with age, why is there a need at all to overspend on reinforcements? It's just overdone.

Not even close, Nash is a good 4c I suppose but makes too much, Foligno makes too much and certainly isn't half as good as Kapanen, Nygard is barely an NHLer, which is why he made the Oilers lineup, they don't exactly have much depth. Oleksiak does not move the needle, this makes TO slower, less skilled and cost them better assets to get their.

I only read your first sentence, so I'l just say this: WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THE OILERS ARE A GOOD TEAM AT 5V5 OR NOT! You don't seem unintelligent but constantly have trouble following a conversation and staying on topic. The Strawman and Goalpost Moving are strong with you.

Let me spell this out for you:

"no defense all offense" applies to the Leafs / Rangers
"no defense all offense" does not apply to the Oilers

Besides, looking at shot share or corsi share doesn't tell you a SINGLE THING about whether a team is good or bad offensively or defensively. If team A gets 100 CF and 95 CA they have a 51.28% CF%. Team B gets just 20 CF and allows 21 CA which computes to a 48.78% CF%. Now what does looking at CF% of the two teams (51.28% vs 48.78%) tell us about which team is better defensively? NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.

You are just a sour homer that is emotional and lacks logic. You should read the statement, you'll find out your immediate "**** you for disagreeing with me" attitude isn't necessary or at all helpful.

Nah, you aren't adding anything useful to the topic at hand.

Then you prove my point, you have no interest in meaningful discussion, the moment someone disagrees with you they are your enemy. Its just typical of the times, small minded, fragile, babies get mad the moment someone says anything remotely different than their opinion and now they have an enemy. What a joke.

all of their EVD GAR is better than most of the current leafs so...

Does anyone even understand what those mean all the players you added are just secondary depth guys. This is just deck chairs and using baseball stats to single out players who play on a 5 man unit is silly.