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Marner To Carolina

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Team: 2021-22 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 10, 2020
Published: Jul. 10, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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I've seen a lot of Leaf fans suggest that they should trade Marner for Pesce, and while I understand the purpose of it, I'm not sure it'll work. Carolina needs cap space to resign Svechnikov (likely 9-10 million), Necas (7-8 million) and Suzuki. Marner's cap hit is quite a large one as well, so I am going to try and make a team that fits all those guys while being cap compliant.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$9,500,000
1$1,850,000
1$900,000
7$4,000,000
2$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$10,500,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
1$1,500,000
3$3,850,000
Trades
1.
CAR
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
2.
CAR
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Marner, Mitchell ($1,893,000 retained)
  3. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
3.
CAR
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
4.
CAR
    Seattle Expansion Draft
    VGK
    1. Staal, Jordan
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (CAR)
    5.
    CAR
    1. Roy, Matt [RFA Rights]
    LAK
    1. Foegele, Warren [RFA Rights]
    2. 2021 2nd round pick (CAR)
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2020
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    2021
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    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the TOR
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    2022
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$83,000,000$77,723,582$0$1,150,000$5,276,418

    Roster

    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $5,400,000$5,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $8,460,250$8,460,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $9,010,000$9,010,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $9,500,000$9,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    RW
    RFA - 1
    $1,850,000$1,850,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $863,333$863,333
    C
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    $800,000$800,000
    LW, C
    UFA
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    $800,000$800,000
    C
    UFA
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $5,300,000$5,300,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 7
    $3,850,000$3,850,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $4,050,000$4,050,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $900,000$900,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $925,000$925,000
    C
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $925,000$925,000
    RD
    RFA

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    Jul. 10, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    But like come on, Pesce is good but not to that level of value. I'm a lot more of a Canes fan then I am of a Leafs fan. This is so incredibly lopsided


    Yeah I admit, I definitely over exaggerated the value of Pesce in this trade.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    @canesfan3030 @Hockyluv21 @ecupirate07 @TWOminutes4surging @jslongo @Caniac2000 @nbass @Dan10900 @yeetmaster

    Obviously a highly unlikely scenario, but what'd you guys think of this team? Are they cup worthy?


    Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly be any dumber, you went and totally redeemed yourse- wait what am I saying. This is by far the worst Marner trade I’ve ever seen. Try adding Aho.
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    Jul. 10, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Everyone has their own opinion regarding these trades, just because you disagree with my work doesn’t make me a troll. It is hard to satisfy both fan bases involved.


    You never satisfy leafs fans. You satisfied my other fans enough that even they agree it’s a horrible trade.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 2:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    this scenario is as likely as Pesce and Wallmark for Kapanen and Brown 'rumor.'

    we all know this is a joke, right? We would have to score 8 goals a night with the goalie tandem.


    I think you’re underrating Bernier. He had an excellent season & would be getting more recognition if he played on a better team: https://twitter.com/hbanalytica/status/1271142483704111105?s=21

    As for Smith, he was bad but it might not matter in front of such a tremendous defence in front of him.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 2:48 p.m.
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    you just keep out doing yourself. Terrible, absolutly terrible and there is no way you can justify this pile of rancid trash, so dont even try
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    Jul. 10, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly be any dumber, you went and totally redeemed yourse- wait what am I saying. This is by far the worst Marner trade I’ve ever seen. Try adding Aho.


    aho has more value than marner
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: nbass
    aho has more value than marner


    I was exaggerating a bit to make a point. I would say they have value approximately the same with Marner retained ~2 mil. Once Aho is added, Kerfoot or so would be added. But the point is as is, it's the worst Marner trade I've ever seen.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 4:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    you just keep out doing yourself. Terrible, absolutly terrible and there is no way you can justify this pile of rancid trash, so dont even try


    I admit, it's an overpay by Toronto but don't you agree that Pesce is the elite shutdown RHD that Toronto desperately needs?
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 4:41 p.m.
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    I admit, it's an overpay by Toronto but don't you agree that Pesce is the elite shutdown RHD that Toronto desperately needs?


    that's like saying i need dinner tonight so im going to spend 1000$ on buying enough KFC to feed 50 people because i like chicken
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    Jul. 10, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    I was exaggerating a bit to make a point. I would say they have value approximately the same with Marner retained ~2 mil. Once Aho is added, Kerfoot or so would be added. But the point is as is, it's the worst Marner trade I've ever seen.


    ah
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 8:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: Sean4417
    Carolina people certainly do like to over value Pesce... but this is absolutely laughable... a 90+ point forward, a high end D prospect, and a 1st rd pick for Carolinas current 3rd pairing RD. Seriously?!?


    A top 10 RD man, Carolina's 1st line RD in the absense of Dougie, and you're INCREDIBLY ignorant
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 8:26 p.m.
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    We don't have the cap. Pesce for Nylander works because it's not a mammoth increase. From 4 to ~7 is workable. From 4 to 11? Yeah no. Carolina also don't have the need. We have enough playmakers. Hell, we have Necas who may be a better version of Marner. His skating is certainly better.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 8:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    We don't have the cap. Pesce for Nylander works because it's not a mammoth increase. From 4 to ~7 is workable. From 4 to 11? Yeah no. Carolina also don't have the need. We have enough playmakers. Hell, we have Necas who may be a better version of Marner. His skating is certainly better.


    The fact that there 2 mil retained, and you get Lili and a first, you better take it. If you think that's not enough, you're just Biased.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 8:36 p.m.
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    The fact that there 2 mil retained, and you get Lili and a first, you better take it. If you think that's not enough, you're just Biased.


    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 8:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    @canesfan3030 @Hockyluv21 @ecupirate07 @TWOminutes4surging @jslongo @Caniac2000 @nbass @Dan10900 @yeetmaster

    Obviously a highly unlikely scenario, but what'd you guys think of this team? Are they cup worthy?


    This post is an embarrassment to any knowledgeable hockey fan. I find it so sad that you continue to prepare anti-Marner posts daily when everyone on CapFriendly knows you are in fact really a Penguins fan who is very jealous of Marner and the Leafs. I find your anti-Marner posts very disheartening in that you continue to release these posts daily about a player who is everything that is right about being a professional hockey player and is such a great ambassador for the game and role model for kids and the less fortunate in the world.

    @MitchMarnerElite How to you feel being so negative about a player who is admired by so many fans?
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 9:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.


    Quoting: Caniac2000
    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.


    Well damn. I tried the sweeten the deal to a point in which I could not imagine you possibly declining, yet here we are. I extended both Hamilton & Svechnikov long term in this ACGM, brought in Roy who looks like the second coming of Pesce analytically. All you need to do next is Extend Necas, which can be done with Trocheck expiring.
    Jul. 10, 2020 at 10:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Well damn. I tried the sweeten the deal to a point in which I could not imagine you possibly declining, yet here we are. I extended both Hamilton & Svechnikov long term in this ACGM, brought in Roy who looks like the second coming of Pesce analytically. All you need to do next is Extend Necas, which can be done with Trocheck expiring.


    I think the Hurricanes Owner would be saying @MitchMarnerElite can you immediately turn in your keys and pack your bags if your were his GM for this post.
    Jul. 11, 2020 at 10:29 a.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    I wouldn't take it. This is effectively that AND not bringing Dougie back because of the cap differences. I like marner, but there's not enough to part with a Norris winner, a top 10 RD in Pesce. If you say there is, you're just biased.


    Pesce is not a top 10 right d. Hamilton is not a Norris winner. If you can get this deal, considering how much you fleece us, you take it. Flip him after is you want.
    Jul. 11, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    Pesce is not a top 10 right d. Hamilton is not a Norris winner. If you can get this deal, considering how much you fleece us, you take it. Flip him after is you want.


    Pesce is a top 10 RD man, and Hamilton will be a Norris winner. Considering that, you need to go check your bias. If you can't trade him elsewhere, how do you expect us to?
    Jul. 11, 2020 at 3:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    Pesce is a top 10 RD man, and Hamilton will be a Norris winner. Considering that, you need to go check your bias. If you can't trade him elsewhere, how do you expect us to?


    I don’t want him to be traded. I was just saying this is a deal the canes would pounce on if offered. However, it won’t be offered. And Pesce is not better than:
    Carlson
    Peitrangelo
    Payanko
    Hamilton
    Makar
    Jones
    Klingberg
    Weber
    Ellis
    or Ekblad
    Jul. 11, 2020 at 3:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    I don’t want him to be traded. I was just saying this is a deal the canes would pounce on if offered. However, it won’t be offered. And Pesce is not better than:
    Carlson
    Peitrangelo
    Payanko
    Hamilton
    Makar
    Jones
    Klingberg
    Weber
    Ellis
    or Ekblad


    Currently, Pesce is better than Jones, Klingberg & Weber. Although you could add guys like Fox, McAvoy & Marino instead.
    Jul. 11, 2020 at 4:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Currently, Pesce is better than Jones, Klingberg & Weber. Although you could add guys like Fox, McAvoy & Marino instead.


    I would say Pesce is not better than Weber, Klingburg and Jones. I would agree that Macavoy, Marino and Fox are better, as well as Letang and Dougthy.
    Jul. 11, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    I don’t want him to be traded. I was just saying this is a deal the canes would pounce on if offered. However, it won’t be offered. And Pesce is not better than:
    Carlson
    Peitrangelo
    Payanko
    Hamilton
    Makar
    Jones
    Klingberg
    Weber
    Ellis
    or Ekblad


    He's better than:
    Ekblad
    Weber
    Makar
    Jul. 12, 2020 at 10:43 a.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    He's better than:
    Ekblad
    Weber
    Makar


    This post is a troll and you know it.
    Jul. 13, 2020 at 2:11 a.m.
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    Quoting: Saskleaf
    This post is a troll and you know it.


    Nope, his xGA and xGF is better than all three. Someone like MacKenzie Weegar I could understand the case for, but Makar after one year, a consistently overrated Ekblad and a dinosaur Weber are not better than the best DFD in hockey over the past 3 years.

    Disagreeing is a troll and you know it
     
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