Imo value-wise LA should consider trade Doughty only for tomorrow's assets...while they're currently sucking near the bottom of the league, I see no point in acquiring mid-6 assets which value will drop dramatically when they have to play in an environment where they're unable to be productive.

Unless they pull something like what Duclair and Brown did when they managed to get higher roles in OTT...although offensively LA isn't that good of a team.

Look at any advanced stats in the last 2 years

Or even just watch a game. He looks terrible.

There's also a reason why advanced stats are the #3 tool in evaluating players for a lot of teams in the league. They have many variables. Doughtys lack of production and defensive superiority is the result of being on a rebuilding team where he is forced to play with less than average d partners and a team where he and Matt Roy, a rookie are the best defenders.

What part of Doughtys game do you find most dissatisfying? Assuming you've actually watched him.

Were your eyes open?

Were yours?

Just about all of it I’d say. It’s not fair to blame Roy or Macdermined who have played well.

marner is good, doughty is not. Marner will get bettrr, doughty will get worse. It's not remotely close

All season long.

There were times he was caught watching the play due to lack of motivation for sure. However he was also very solid defensively all things considered. The kings fans will agree as I've spoken with many of them over this, there was many times where you can honestly say if Doughty wasn't on the ice that would have been a goal.

Doughty also had the worst defenseman in the NHL Derek Forbort as a d partner for most of the last 3 years. Forbort would always put them in a bad situation were Doughty would have to bail him out.

Doughty is not declining and I'll tell you exactly why. He went through hot and cold streaks all year long. He would get 5 points in 5 games then 0 in the next 5 games. He continued that cycle all season long. Declining players dont do that. They have nothing but cold streaks. I highly reccomend you look at his game to game stats under the game log section on the NHL app or HockeyReference.

You'll see him improve next season and I guarentee you that the year after that, he'll be one of the best defensemen in the league again.

That's coming from someone who actually watched Doughty and the Kings for most of the last 3 years and not someone who looks at a few stats and trusts a computer.

In case you didnt know, this isn't baseball.

That's a garbage statement and you're just acting like a troll by saying it. Marner came off a 90+ point season and again had over a point per game this season. He didn't show up in game 1 against Columbus but although the points might not be there, he's been dominant at times since. & he's not even 25 yet. Leafs would be giving up his prime years for nothing but decline years.

Worry about your own team who didn't even win a game during their round robin. Troll elsewhere 😂

That's a very poor evaluation coming from someone who is clearly displaying lack of knowledge on Drew Doughty.

Yes, please do go at him, he has watched all the games and can give you anecdotes up the wazoo! No one watches games like this guy!

The truth.

Read the title you ape, it's a joke

i think if you make 11 million dollars at 30, los angeles is a better place to live compared to toronto

For the sake of argument read this great article that sums up my point.

https://jfresh.substack.com/p/drew-doughty-is-not-only-no-longer

That's actually a terrible article that is known for being made by a moronic analytics guy.

Except that he has the stats to back it up

@tkecanuck341 can break down the flaws in this article better than I can so we'll see if he cares to dedicate his time into explaining it. @tkecanuck341, Would you mind?

Happy to hear any counter argument

I’m curious if your opinion will change when the hockey minds building team canada put doughty on it

I think if drew doughty is on a playoff hockey team, he’s a top 5 d man in the league. I think his team sucking this bad has drained a bit of his competitiveness, but i expect that to be temporary.

It wouldn't, those guys make 2 or 3 dumb roster choices every year and another changes nothing.
Also team Canada doesnt have a cap

Have you looked up marners cap number recently?

Yeah, and a 23 year old who is at the start of 5he aging curve counters that a lot better than the guy plummeting down the other side