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Capitals if they get swept or lose rd 1

Created by: Philu916
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 18, 2020
Published: Aug. 18, 2020
Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Team Explanation
I will start this off with the reality that it’s possible I will be told no shot, what are you thinking etc. On that note... Kuzy
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Deangelo, Anthony5$6,000,000
Lemieux, Brendan3$1,750,000
Di Giuseppe, Phillip2$900,000
Strome, Ryan5$5,750,000
Georgiev, Alexandar3$2,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Fast, Jesper4$2,750,000
Bogosian, Zach2$1,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafreniere, Alexis3$925,000
Trades
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NYR
  1. Kempný, Michal
  2. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
WSH
  1. Deangelo, Anthony
  2. Strome, Ryan
  3. Buchnevich, Pavel
  4. 2020 1st round pick (CAR)
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So the way I see it, I’ve seen on here Lars Eller in trades for Strome or TDA. I don’t want to be here and try and offer a ton of smaller nonsense for a big guy... If Caps lose round 1, they’ll make changes. Strome can play 2/3 C and if 2 he will have offense with him. I put in Buch bc NYR are exploring trading him based on rumors. NYR have too many RHD especially with Nils coming in a year or 2. Kempny can be 2 LHD. Don’t know if this is too much or too little and can swap Chytil for someone if needed. Thoughts? They still have Backstrom as 1C here.
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    1. Lundqvist, Henrik
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    • Kevin Shattenkirk: $6,083,333
    • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
    • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
    • Brad Richards: $0
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    • Brendan Smith: $3,275,000 ($4,350,000)
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$78,183,133$0$9,212,500$3,316,867
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    Panarin, Artemi
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    Zibanejad, Mika
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    Kakko, Kaapo
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    Kreider, Chris
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    Kuznetsov, Evgeny
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    UFA - 5
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    Kravtsov, Vitali
    $925,000
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    Lafreniere, Alexis
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    Chytil, Filip
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    Gauthier, Julien
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    Barron, Morgan
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    Lindgren, Ryan
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    Trouba, Jacob
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    Shesterkin, Igor
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    Kempný, Michal
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    Fox, Adam
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    Staal, Marc
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    Di Giuseppe, Phillip
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 10:53 a.m.
    #1
    Bcarlo25
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    Can’t see hank walking away from 5.5 million.
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:03 a.m.
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    none of those players help the capitals win right now.... Strome isnt good. hes a career 35 point guy besides 2 season... Deangleo only adds to the caps biggest issue which is defense. Buchnevich is interesting but my counter proposal is..... Nils Chytil and a 1st (or nyr 2nd)
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:04 a.m.
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    Drastic underpay for Kuz
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:07 a.m.
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    Kinda a remarkably poor trade here. Kuzy has less value than Trouba, while Buch and Deangelo are 2 of the more valuable players in the league. Here's an example of what your trade amounts to (essentially, before even getting to Strome + 1st your trade costs the Rangers 7-8 points in the standings). Then I provided an example of what would be an undersell for Buch/Deangelo based on their on-ice value (Cirelli/Sergachev).

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    Aim higher. Know your player values.
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:10 a.m.
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    wut r u drouin fam
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    Kinda a remarkably poor trade here. Kuzy has less value than Trouba, while Buch and Deangelo are 2 of the more valuable players in the league. Here's an example of what your trade amounts to (essentially, before even getting to Strome + 1st your trade costs the Rangers 7-8 points in the standings). Then I provided an example of what would be an undersell for Buch/Deangelo based on their on-ice value (Cirelli/Sergachev).

    Aim higher. Know your player values.


    Kinda ironic for you to tell someone to know their players' value when you say Trouba has more value than Kuznetsov
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    Kinda a remarkably poor trade here. Kuzy has less value than Trouba, while Buch and Deangelo are 2 of the more valuable players in the league. Here's an example of what your trade amounts to (essentially, before even getting to Strome + 1st your trade costs the Rangers 7-8 points in the standings). Then I provided an example of what would be an undersell for Buch/Deangelo based on their on-ice value (Cirelli/Sergachev).

    Aim higher. Know your player values.


    Woof....Kuzy is a top 25 center Toruba isnt a top 25 defender.... hard pass capitals can get more than a 35 point center and a late 1st for a 70-80 point center lmfao. unless you are giving us panarin also Strome value is barely a 2nd
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:13 a.m.
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    Strome is bad, Caps decline
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: What_Are_you_Drouin
    Kinda ironic for you to tell someone to know their players' value when you say Trouba has more value than Kuznetsov


    lmfao thank you! then he said Strome and a 1st lol Strome averages 35 points a year.
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: What_Are_you_Drouin
    Kinda ironic for you to tell someone to know their players' value when you say Trouba has more value than Kuznetsov


    I'm not saying it. The data is.

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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:16 a.m.
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Woof....Kuzy is a top 25 center Toruba isnt a top 25 defender.... hard pass capitals can get more than a 35 point center and a late 1st for a 70-80 point center lmfao. unless you are giving us panarin also Strome value is barely a 2nd


    lol it's kinda crazy how much basically everyone is insanely worse when they're with Kuzy

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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:16 a.m.
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    I'm not saying it. The data is.

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    this is why people hate advance stat guys lol... you are comparing a defenseman to a center and the defenseman has a -1.6 xdef loland the offensive player has a +3.9xoff
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:17 a.m.
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    wut r u drouin fam
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    I'm not saying it. The data is.

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    How does more TOI = more valuable lmao what kind of logic is that
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    this is why people hate advance stat guys lol... you are comparing a defenseman to a center and the defenseman has a -1.6 xdef loland the offensive player has a +3.9xoff


    Kuzy gives up all of his offensive value on defense. Trouba is a positive defender at even strength, the negative value comes from the PK, which is all on Lindy Ruff's structure.
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:22 a.m.
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    Quoting: What_Are_you_Drouin
    How does more TOI = more valuable lmao what kind of logic is that


    huh...? If you don't understand the data, just say that.
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.
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    wut r u drouin fam
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    huh...? If you don't understand the data, just say that.


    you can find all the data in the world, Kuznetsov is a far superior player and its not even close
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:26 a.m.
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    lol it's kinda crazy how much basically everyone is insanely worse when they're with Kuzy

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    thats a score-adjusted shots list..... this is what you thinks makes players better/worse? its a massive graph that shows players are neither "good" or "bad" how many players are considered "bad" playing with him? how many are considered "good" playing without him? idk if you understand the graph. i think you see something you think is bad and just regurgitate it without knowing anything about it.
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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    Quoting: What_Are_you_Drouin
    you can find all the data in the world, Kuznetsov is a far superior player and its not even close


    Well that ends the educated discussion I guess.

    Anyway, I figure some fans like colors and stuff.

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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:28 a.m.
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    thats a score-adjusted shots list..... this is what you thinks makes players better/worse? its a massive graph that shows players are neither "good" or "bad" how many players are considered "bad" playing with him? how many are considered "good" playing without him? idk if you understand the graph. i think you see something you think is bad and just regurgitate it without knowing anything about it.


    lot to learn here it looks like.
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.
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    Quoting: What_Are_you_Drouin
    you can find all the data in the world, Kuznetsov is a far superior player and its not even close


    his data basically says Trouba is barely a good defender but has okay offensive upside... Kuzy has amazing offensive upside but terrible defense.... so if you want a poor mans Carlson who makes the same amount of money you could get trouba but youd regret it bc hes not very good at defense and above average at offense lol. i will take my chances with Kuzy poor defense than trade him for an overpaid average defensman lol SORRY
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Can’t see hank walking away from 5.5 million.


    the guy has made $100M in his career, without endorsements.
    $5.5M is nothing to him, even less with tax and escrow.
    he is a proud guy - it is more likely he walks away from $5.5M than being 3rd on the depth chart...
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:32 a.m.
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    lot to learn here it looks like.


    no please mr i know it all tell me the difference between play A with Kuzy vs player A without... how big is the margin since you think you know it all lol please let me know. you keep sending graphs and all it shows is that Kuzy is elite at offense and terrible at defense we all know this.... but his offensive upside is why team want him. ALSO you are showing that Trouba is god awful at defense which his actual position. again hard pass little guy
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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    Have to ask respectfully, Buch had a career year on pace for 55 pts and would possibly play with Ovie... he’s only 25 so he can turn into a 60+ pt player. How is the value not there?
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: Mike_Gartner
    the guy has made $100M in his career, without endorsements.
    $5.5M is nothing to him, even less with tax and escrow.
    he is a proud guy - it is more likely he walks away from $5.5M than being 3rd on the depth chart...


    5.5 million dollars is nothing to him? Dude....
    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:35 a.m.
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    Quoting: Sagecoll
    Well that ends the educated discussion I guess.

    Anyway, I figure some fans like colors and stuff.

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    What’s wrong with just watching hockey and forming opinions?
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    Aug. 18, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.
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    Caps fan idk why
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    Quoting: Philu916
    Have to ask respectfully, Buch had a career year on pace for 55 pts and would possibly play with Ovie... he’s only 25 so he can turn into a 60+ pt player. How is the value not there?


    i think hes interesting but if we use him in the top 6 then oshie would get bumped down.... my biggest issue would be Deangelo value and Strome value/ what they add to the capitals are much
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