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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 8, 2021 at 12:08 a.m.
Thread: Calgary want a RHS RW
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>I get that Mangiapane is younger and cheaper, fair enough for valuing him higher. However, this idea that he is a first line winger or should only be moved in a package for a 1C is pretty far fetched.

Also, Bennett for Donskoi + 2nd/3rd is awful for Colorado. Bennett is a 4th liner with a proclivity for dumb penalties. Donskoi has paced 50 points whenever he's been healthy for the Avs (i.e. the first half of last season until his concussion, then in the playoffs, and again this season).</div></div>

I never said he should be moved for a 1C, I said that the Flames would need a significant return to move him. I don't think he is a top line player, but with the way things have gone for Calgary, it probably wouldn't hurt to see what he can do.

The reason such a move (Bennett and Donskoi) makes sense is that Donskoi is about to be 29 and has two more years left on his contract at $3.9M. Bennett is awful, I agree, but he's only got this year at $2.5M on his contract. He could easily be re-signed at a sub $1M contract, traded for a pick, or just let walk come the summer. Donskoi has been good enough for Colorado, but it hardly seems reasonable to imagine his best years are yet to come and moving that contract would open up money to bring in a more efficient player for that role. Though the Avs have some money coming off the books next year, having to re-sign Makar, Landeskog, and Grubauer is either going to cost a lot or require some creativity. So though it seems egregious to include a pick with Donskoi, taking on that kind of cap commitment is no small thing, and would require some kind of compensation on behalf of the Avs.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 5, 2021 at 1:17 a.m.
Thread: Calgary want a RHS RW
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>He’s currently on pace oh yeah for an 82 game season which they aren’t playing and because that always holds up, not sleight of hand mister. Heck I like his game and he has stepped it up, but he is what Donskoi is a rock solid middle 6 guy that can slide up the lineup in a pinch. It’s not a bad thing but if either of those guys is a top line player on your team you have trouble. And for what it’s worth Donskoi is on pace for 50pts 😉</div></div>

Even if you accept they're the same kind of player (which I do not), why would Calgary give away the younger and cheaper one? That doesn't make them any better and helps Colorado.

Magiapane has had meaningfully better results at 5v5, 5v4, and 4v5 than Donskoi has, so if one of these players is performing above their true ability, that player is not Mangiapane. Calgary would actually be better if they gave Mangiapane more ice time, as he has been one of their best players. Not to mention, he has been winning all of his minutes at an elite clip. Unless Colorado is offering a significant return there is no reason for the Flames to trade him, and that's all before moving Rittich at retained salary.

Bennett, and at the very most, a late-round pick would probably be a more reasonable package for Donskoi, who would probably need to be paired with 2nd/3rd round pick. however the Flames would have to figure it out cap-wise.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 12, 2020 at 8:31 p.m.
Thread: 1 trade - line shuffling
Carlo is an interesting case, as his most common partner, and player he's had the best results with over the last two seasons, has been Torey Krug. When away from Krug he's had uninspiring results in context of Bruins team that has been quite good. If I'm the Flames, I probably see Carlo as capable 2nd pairing player, but one that needs a guy that can help him move the puck up the ice. Him and Valimaki could be an interesting 2nd pair together. Hanifin on the other hand, in my eyes, is a bottom pairing D. Just doesn't seem to be able to make an effective play, and even with a D-first guy like Hamonic, has struggled mightily. Combined with his contract, flipping him for Carlo is probably a net plus for Calgary, as it gives you a guy that you could roll out on 3rd pairing duty and not worry too much about, if he doesn't work as a 2nd pairing player. However, his acquiring would seem to make the Tanev signing redundant and going after a guy like Weager would of been the optimal move. As for the 2nd part, the Debrusk for Bennett swap is clearly a win. Bennett, though he's had flashes in the playoffs, is a 3rd/4th line winger. This would be a boon for Calgary. Kylington, seems to of fallen out of favor with the organization, though I think he could probably handle tertiary deployment. If he has to go to make this happen, Calgary can absolutely stomach it.

Boston should say no, and especially after the Dougie Hamilton trade should not be keen on making a deal with Treliving, as this could look like a real stinker quite quickly.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 25, 2020 at 9:23 p.m.
Thread: Can someone please explain why they hate the Kap trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marino4Norris</b></div><div>People overrate draft picks, it's not that deep</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Its a joke...I don't have an 11-year old.

Jarvis is small. He is good, but like lilliputian tiny.

There are a lot of names being thrown around this year as mid-first rounders, who would be 2nd rounders last year. Good year to sell 1st rounders.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Its a joke...I don't have an 11-year old.




A lot of people seem to be underrating this draft class. At 15 Connor Zary, Jacob Perreault, Mavrik Bourque, and Tyson Foerster should all be available, and will likely provide better value than Kapanen. All of these guys deserve to go in the 1st round, and their DY seasons are better than a bunch of 1st rounders in last years draft. Seth Jarvis may be available, though he deserves to go top 10. He's not big, but there are plenty of players his size in the NHL. It isn't a great idea to sell the 15th pick in this draft and a solid prospect for Kapanen. There's an argument to be made that Evan Rodrigues is just as good a player as Kapenen.
EDIT: don't know what is up with the formatting here. Sorry.</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2020 at 12:54 a.m.
Thread: Flames Full End of Season Review
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Yeah it might have made contracts weird but I think we could have found a taker for Ryan and paid to dump Lucic to make room. The second biggest regret is we almost had a Brodie+Jankowski for Kadri deal but he declined it, cuz he got one decline and wanted to stay in TO iirc? Idk but he nixed it, if they’d proposed the COL deal to him first and we wound up with him I think that woulda been a huge boost for this team, when he’s not suspended he’s a playoff beast too, fits his style perfectly.</div></div>

Lucic was still with Edmonton at the time but I wonder if something couldn't have been done with Neale. The Kadri trade would also have bolstered the forward group. Brodie did have another strong season this year and I wonder if the D is compromised without him. But Janko is garbage and it would have been funny to watch TO realize just how garbage. I bet had Kadri thought he wasn't being shopped, he would have accepted the 1st trade to Calgary. Sounded like he thought he was going to stay put had he declined.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2020 at 12:28 a.m.
Thread: Flames Full End of Season Review
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>I think you would have to add something to Chytil and the Canes 1st, depending on Chytil’s ceiling/development to date. Again, he’s a guy I haven’t followed too closely, if he’s a surefire top 6 C inside 3 years I say only a minor piece, if he’s more like 50/50 whether he’s a top 6 guy or an energy guy it would have to be a more significant piece.


I agree Talbot wasn’t the problem (and Smith wasn’t last year either) but I just think every team that goes deep has a definite starter. Idk, if one gets super hot every year for playoffs that’s fine but that seems like playing with fire.

I don’t think Lindholm will win the Selke but he’ll be in the conversation (he was 10th in voting last year, that’s the type of guy I think he is, top 10-15 consistently). I may have underestimated Mang a bit but he had a horrible playoffs imo, probably our second worst forward for most of it. I’d like to see him take a significant step next year, prove he can be relied upon as a 2nd line winger, instead of being just our default option there. Selling high on Bennett would depend on the offer. I’m honestly fine with him at 3C, at least he puts in consistent effort every night and shows up in the playoffs (poor man’s Franzen type of guy).

I would give the sun and the moon for Point (Monahan+Valimaki+something else is on the table for me) and Cirelli would be a fantastic target as well, we’d have so many 2-way guys with Cirelli+Backlund+Lindholm all top-15 Selke guys. I actually had Tampa pegged as a target anyway, even if those guys are off the table, TyJo would be a solid option as another top 6 weapon and he’ll probably come cheap due to their cap constraints.

My biggest regret with this team was hearing we were SO close to landing Mark Stone, but the sticking point was Valimaki. Vegas was willing to give up Brannstrom, our max offer was Kylington I think. I would have given up Valimaki tbh, Stone woulda been so perfect for this team, he’s the embodiment of everything they were lacking this playoffs.</div></div>

I agree, I think not pulling the trigger on the Stone trade was a massive mistake. At the end of the day, Val and a 1st is not fair value for Stone and Calgary could of capitalized.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2020 at 11:43 p.m.
Thread: Flames Full End of Season Review
Goaltending is such a volatile position, that it doesn't make much sense to splurge for a "starter". You're best off to go with someone good enough, and hope things break your way. Though Murray was hot when he came in, he's fell a pretty long way and probably wasn't all that good in the first place. Binnington performed significantly worse this year too. Talbot wasn't the reason the Flames were eliminated.

I would agree with your estimation of Gaudreau, he isn't the problem and moving Monahan would be preferable. I think you overrate Lindholm, he's alright on defense, but he certainly wont be contending for the Selke. A lot of his scoring is because of who he plays with. He's versatile, works well with everyone, is on a good deal, and can play center in a pinch but he probably isn't a driver. I do think you underestimate Mangipane, who has bloomed into one of Calgary's best 5v5 forwards. Him, Backlund, and Tkachuk were very good this year and were a legitimate power v power line. It isn't an accident that Ryan and Bennett fell off again after than line was dissolved.

People love playoff Sam Bennett, but his 350 + regular season games are probably more telling as to what he actually is. If someone offers you on over pay, the Flames would be wise to sell high on him.

Tampa Bay are an interesting team to me, and I wonder if Cirelli could be had, as they're going to have to move some cap space. Brayden Point would be the absolute perfect fit here, but it's hard to see Tampa being desperate enough to move him. Provided he's available, though, the Flames should give Tampa virtually whatever they want for him.

On the defense, bringing Brodie back seems like a good decision, unless they move one of their top forwards for a Dman. I'm not really enthralled with Gustafsson, but if he wanted back for cheap (sub $2M) you probably do it for a year or two. Valamaki is good and I hope he's able to step into the lineup next season, however I am worried about that knee. How nice would it be to have had Mark Stone?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2020 at 5:17 p.m.
Thread: blow it up - gaudreau and monahan gone
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rja40</b></div><div>No way in H.E.L.L. Blues move that for Gaudreau. The past two playoffs, Johnny Hockey has been neutralized. Perunovich is likely our top prospect. You trade those for RHD and Centers, not small wingers. I like Thomas, but I'm not as high on him as some of our other fans are, but if Thomas is being moved, it probably isn't for a non-playoff performer. I can't see this one going through.</div></div>

Hahah I'm well aware of where Perunovich stands in the Blues pool. I still think it would be worth it for the Blues, as regardless of what he could be, Gaudreau is a star player, now. I get the narrative around Gaudreau, but he had 7 points in 10 games this year, and has 19 in 30 playoff games overall. Seems pretty far from neutralized, his line-mates had more to do with the lack of production. He drives the game even though he isn't a center, and is an excellent transition player. That being said, I very much doubt that the Blues would give both Thomas and Perunovich up in any kind of trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2020 at 2:54 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2020 at 2:22 p.m.
Thread: blow it up - gaudreau and monahan gone
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tomato43</b></div><div>If you could guarantee that within 1-2 years Cozens would live up to his potential i woudn't mind the buffalo trade. I think is is really risky though. He could be the next Mittelstadt and be the number 1 prospect out of the NHL and not manifest into an NHL player soon if ever.

I think selling Gaudreau right now would be selling to low. Thomas is an interesting up and coming player, but i dont know to much about him. The first would be in the early 20s i believe and i just dont think thats a good enough return for someone who was a 99 point player just last season and has 2 years left on his deal still. Im thinking of the Max Pacioretty deal and would want something similiar in return to that. A highly touted prospect and a roster player that can contribute and a pick.

Montreal ended up hitting a homerun since Suzuki seems to be working out great as well as Tatar being a star for them.</div></div>

STL doesn't really have a Tatar-like player, Perron is probably the closest, as I don't think they'd trade Schwartz in this kind of deal. Thomas is the same age as Suzuki, and has already played 2 NHL seasons. He will almost certainly be a star player. The Flames could do a lot worse than getting him as a principle return. I wonder if STL would do Thomas, Perunovich, and two 3rds (this year and next) for Gaudreau.