@csick @newballcoach

I like Manson, but I think that's an over payment.

It's a lot of draft capital to give up and would definitely be a "push all-in" move. They'd have to be confident Sandin could take the 3rd pairing job and Markstrom would play well enough to justify that contract (based on a Lehner comparable).

I see a lot I like. I wouldn't be against it. Would make things exciting.

Based on @csick's "Push For This" ACGM. Well csick is an Ottawa fan. Hate three trades as a Leaf fan. Don't know why the Pens who might have 3 NHL goalies would want Andersen with no cap coming to the Leafs. Markstrom for four years? Could be an OK deal, but better value this year and certainly next expansion summer.

Overpaid for 2M retention which is a lot considering the flat cap.

I think you could take out Dermott and we’d still accept

Just because I don’t cheer for the Leafs doesn’t mean I’m going to make trade proposals that are Anti Leafs biased. I actually think the trades I make improve the team

They just moved Bjustad today and they are trading Murray.

Thought I had to over pay for the 2M retention considering flat cap. Either way works.

I don’t think Andersen is worth 2 2nds. He’d probably get similar to what Lehner got traded for. A 2nd and a meh prospect

As a person who could care less about the Leafs I'd be just fine with that.

If the Kings got 15OA, do you think we should draft Braden Schneider?

Depends. If the rest of the draft goes as expected, then yes, I think he would be a good choice. But if someone like Lundell or Quinn drops and is still available at #15 (unlikely), then in no way should the Kings pass on those guys.

Massive overpay for Manson. Even with the retention. Same with the trade to LA. Kerfoot a first and a 2nd? No thanks.

Leafs need defence so we trade away 3 for 2? No I don’t think so.

Take that Manson trade. So many think any RHD coming to the Leafs is a good deal. Manson is nothing special now and to think the Leafs have to trade an NHL Dman, Leafs top Dman prospect Liljegren and a first rounder for two years of a middling Dman...is a big overpayment. And giving away the Leafs best RHD. last season..Holl who is competent Dman on a great contract is foolish for the Leafs.
Trading away a the 15 overall, a second rounder and three years of Kerfoot for one year of a UFA third line centre and the OK Walker is an overpayment

I never proposed that Manson trade, he did. I don’t think Manson is worth that. If I was sending Liljgren, I’d do Liljgren, Johnsson and a 2nd for Manson retained half

As I'm learning sometimes it's better not to credit someone in an ACGM that's based off of one of theirs.

I'm just curious, since you seem to be the Leafs fan on here that knows it all, what exactly do you think the Leafs should do for their RD problems?

Why do the Leafs have RD problem? Other teams have left shooting Dmen playing the right side, but somehow it's a CapFriendly obsession that the Leafs have three highly competent right shooting Dmen.
Leafs have solved part of their RD problem by letting the two worse Dmen on the team last year go via UFA.....Barrie and Ceci.
Holl who played 20 minutes a game is a competent RHD, and good value at 2m X 3. Who plays the other two spots....could be Dermot and Lehoten. Now I would like the Leafs to acquire a competent Dman...especially a RHD, but to think a middling Dmen are going to change the Leafs fortunes especially when it costs them other NHLers, or good futures, no other team would give up nearly as much.

DEAL for Manson

Have you ever played hockey before? Specifically defense? I have and I was always the only RD who could play on the left side on any of my teams for the 10 years I played. It's a thing. Imagine that at the highest level of hockey. Some dmen can do it well, some can, but not as well, and most can't do it at all.

Why didn't Muzzin - Rielly work?

You think playing Dermott and Holl on the top 4 solves your RD defense issue? Why hasn't it worked?

Who knows if Lehtonen will even work out...

I guess I expected more from such a high esteemed Leafs fan who has been watching hockey for decades.

Edit: I also forgot to add: Do you really think Manson and Walker won't be significantly better than Dermott and Holl? 😬

You really can't believe the current edition of Manson is all that good for the Leafs to give up all those futures.


I know you think you're the smartest guy in the room, but you're not. Most of your Leaf no knowledge post think the Leaf have to pay so much for more than any other team

Sure it's easy to improve any team, if it hurts the team in the positions and as well as their futures. You really think Manson and Roy are really going to Leafs fortunes, that much to give up of that? They haven't done it in LA or Anaheim (recently)

Walker, Manson, Lizotte, for Dermot, Holl, Lilgren Kerfoot, two firsts and a second. How can any hockey fan, especially one who thinks he should be an NHL hockey executive think that is reasonable for the Leafs?

Your leaf agm’s are pretty good. I have seen leafs fans make one’s worse than this.

Neither of those two facts makes this agm a good idea. Manson is highly overrated on this site. The kings trade... no thank you.

I like both players but will not be depending on either for those roles on a team that needs to make a push to contend for the cup.

Kerfoot is a better piece for the leafs and walker and lizotte for the rebuilding kings. If kerfoot needs to be moved for cap reasons I don’t see leafs moving a 1st and second with him without a big piece coming back.

@palhal is an rhd.... should we trade the farm for him?

I haven’t been impressed with Manson for the last few seasons. Reminds me of zaitsev. Seems to have that leafs magic touch with two own goals last year... maybe he should be in Toronto.

trading holl for nothing and trading kerfoot for a more expensive holl is dumb