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When do we sell

Created by: Cham
Initial Creation Date: Oct 16, 2020
Published: Oct 16, 2020 at 11:32
Team: 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks
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Mostly wondering about when the trades happen (also open to hearing other ideas for returns). Do we sell this off-season and semi-tank (while keeping Kane/Toews/Keith) or do we try and somehow compete (maybe add through FA) and potentially sell at the deadline.

My guess was the former but with how little players are being signed for it seems like a lot of teams have internal caps and may not be able to afford or trade for guys currently which could lower the value if there’s only one or two suitors for a guy.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Strome, Dylan3$3,500,000
Trades
CHI
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Justin Holl has negative value at this point plus it works with Stan bringing back players since he drafted him
TOR
  1. Murphy, Connor
CHI
  1. Lavoie, Raphael
Additional Details:
DeHaan helps with Klefbom out, could flip him next offseason. Carpenter helps with depth.
EDM
  1. De Haan, Calvin ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. Carpenter, Ryan
CHI
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (CBJ)
Could help replace Josh Anderson and I’m sure Torts would love him, only happens if Shaw is healthy and productive

Not sure that they’d want to give up picks since they lost so many but maybe could be part of larger deal for one of their goalies
CBJ
  1. Shaw, Andrew
CHI
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
Any cap dump for more picks/prospects (probably someone with less term or AAV)
VAN
    Future considerations
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Calvin De Haan: $2,000,000 (43.96%)
    • Brandon Saad: $1,000,000 (17%)
    • Olli Määttä: $750,108 (18%)
    • Mattias Janmark: $1,125,000 (50%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    CHI
    TOR
    VAN
    CHI
    CBJ
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    2022
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    2023
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    CHI
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$78,773,814$1,090,244$6,750,000$2,726,186
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    CHI
    Kubalik, Dominik
    $3,700,000
    LW
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Toews, Jonathan
    $10,500,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    CHI
    Nylander, Alexander
    $863,333
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Suter, Pius
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Dach, Kirby
    $925,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Kane, Patrick
    $10,500,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    CHI
    DeBrincat, Alex
    $6,400,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 3
    CHI
    Strome, Dylan
    $3,500,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Highmore, Matthew
    $725,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Janmark, Mattias
    $562,500
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    CHI
    Wallmark, Lucas
    $950,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Kämpf, David
    $1,000,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    CHI
    Keith, Duncan
    $5,538,462
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    CHI
    Mitchell, Ian
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 3
    CHI
    Lankinen, Kevin
    $800,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Zadorov, Nikita
    $3,200,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Boqvist, Adam
    $894,167
    RD
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Delia, Collin
    $1,000,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Kalynuk, Wyatt
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    CHI
    Seabrook, Brent
    $6,875,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Subban, Malcolm
    $850,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    CHI
    Smith, Zack
    $3,250,000
    LW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Holl, Justin
    $2,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    VAN
    Eriksson, Loui
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2

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    Oct 16, 2020 at 11:35
    #1
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    Holl doesn't have negative value, Murphy is not worth a 1st.
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    Oct 16, 2020 at 11:35
    #2
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    Columbus has no room for yet another depth forward.... even if Shaw is healthy we have players who play the same role as he does.... Columbus has no interest in him.
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    Oct 16, 2020 at 11:37
    #3
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    Holl is undervalued like crazy on this site, he is a perfectly capable shut down D who only got his first shot in the show LAST YEAR. He will have another decent season and end up as an above average 3RD.
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    Oct 16, 2020 at 11:38
    #4
    Leafs Sufferer
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    Stan drafted him...but he has negative value?
    Oct 16, 2020 at 11:38
    #5
    Judd Bracket ripoff
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    As a Canuck fan I approve this message
    Oct 16, 2020 at 11:39
    #6
    Buljujarvi
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    Oilers reject. Klef is injured all year and we don’t need more RHD.
    Oct 16, 2020 at 11:46
    #7
    Moderators Are Soft
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    Quoting: Russell_C
    Holl is undervalued like crazy on this site, he is a perfectly capable shut down D who only got his first shot in the show LAST YEAR. He will have another decent season and end up as an above average 3RD.


    Wouldn't call him a shut down D. He is a competent 5/6 guy. Slightly overpaid for the 15-17 minutes he should be playing a night but mostly agree.
    Oct 16, 2020 at 12:03
    #8
    Brandon Hagel Stan
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    Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
    Oilers reject. Klef is injured all year and we don’t need more RHD.


    De Hann is a LHD.
    Oct 16, 2020 at 12:18
    #9
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    As a Canuck fan I approve this message


    Easy there Rocket, we need to keep our 1st rounders. I'd offer a 2nd + a prospect (Lind, Woo, DiPietro, etc).
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    Oct 16, 2020 at 12:46
    #10
    Buljujarvi
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    De Hann is a LHD.

    I assumed he was rhd my B
    Oct 16, 2020 at 1:30
    #11
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    Quoting: TheOtherAuston
    Holl doesn't have negative value, Murphy is not worth a 1st.


    Quoting: Russell_C
    Holl is undervalued like crazy on this site, he is a perfectly capable shut down D who only got his first shot in the show LAST YEAR. He will have another decent season and end up as an above average 3RD.


    Quoting: Ritzy
    Stan drafted him...but he has negative value?


    Quoting: dzad96
    Wouldn't call him a shut down D. He is a competent 5/6 guy. Slightly overpaid for the 15-17 minutes he should be playing a night but mostly agree.


    To be fair my only source for leafs news and opinions is Steve dangle who at least on his last pod was talking about how he fell off a cliff after he signed, my thought was mostly that you get a fairly significant upgrade for just over 1M. I think it would at least fetch a second and third for the hawks and be a good trade for both sides
    Oct 16, 2020 at 1:34
    #12
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    Quoting: Ajp_18
    Columbus has no room for yet another depth forward.... even if Shaw is healthy we have players who play the same role as he does.... Columbus has no interest in him.


    I don’t get to see many CBJ games but who on the team plays like Shaw (grinder with 0.5 ppg upside) and how much of that is due to Torts making skill guys play physical, two way games.
    Oct 16, 2020 at 1:43
    #13
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    Quoting: Cham
    I don’t get to see many CBJ games but who on the team plays like Shaw (grinder with 0.5 ppg upside) and how much of that is due to Torts making skill guys play physical, two way games.


    Well, there's captain Nick Foligno and alternate captain Boone Jenner. And Mikko Koivu's coming in now... we're fine without Shaw.
    Oct 16, 2020 at 1:45
    #14
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    Quoting: Cham
    I don’t get to see many CBJ games but who on the team plays like Shaw (grinder with 0.5 ppg upside) and how much of that is due to Torts making skill guys play physical, two way games.


    Folingo, Jenner, Nash, Robinson.... Columbus has enough grinders already. Torts also makes everyone play a solid 2 way game. Plus there’s just no room in the line up with players we already have for Shaw.... imo Shaw, Folingo and Jenner are the same player, and we already have Jenner and Folingo.
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    Oct 16, 2020 at 2:42
    #15
    NTanger19
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    Murphy ain't worth a 1st. He's worth a 2nd
    Oct 16, 2020 at 3:31
    #16
    Ekaansh_m80
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    Toronto easily declines
    Oct 16, 2020 at 4:04
    #17
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    Quoting: Cham
    To be fair my only source for leafs news and opinions is Steve dangle who at least on his last pod was talking about how he fell off a cliff after he signed, my thought was mostly that you get a fairly significant upgrade for just over 1M. I think it would at least fetch a second and third for the hawks and be a good trade for both sides


    It's not just over a mill, its almost double holls salary. He is a good complementary piece beside muzzin at a good number, I would say he's probably over paid by about 250K but I'd rather have Holl at 2M and keep our first over Murphy at 3.85 Mill. Murphy isn't the caliber of dman we need I think he's slightly overrated by some Chicago fans, I'm not saying he is a bad dman just not what we would need with that caphit.
    Oct 16, 2020 at 4:25
    #18
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    leafs never do this
     
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