If they didnt trade for the 2011 22nd overall

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Created by: JacobParchment

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 26, 2020

Published: Oct. 26, 2020

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If you didn't know back in 2011 we traded the 30th overall pick (Rickard Rakell) and the 39th overall pick (John Gibson) to Anaheim for the 22nd overall pick (Tyler Biggs).

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Mikhail Grabovski: $0

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Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

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Pierre Engvall: $175,000 ($1,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$81,500,000	$91,428,714	$0	$0	-$9,928,714

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 5
Rakell, Rickard $2,463,139$2,463,139 RW, LW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Simmonds, Wayne $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 1	Thornton, Joe $700,000$700,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Vesey, Jimmy $900,000$900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Boyd, Travis $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Gibson, John $6,400,000$6,400,000 G UFA - 7
Dermott, Travis $874,125$874,125 LD/RD UFA - 1	Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 2	Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 1

Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:25 a.m.

LeafsFanForSomeReason

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Edited Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:30 a.m.

Yup.

They also happened to make another trade with the Ducks during that draft; a swap a 6th round picks (Leafs 2011 6th for Ducks 2012 6th). And who did the Ducks select with that pick? Josh Manson.

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:25 a.m.

UpsideDownQue

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then in 2015 and 2016 they would have had a better team and probably wouldnt have picked Marner and Matthews

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:26 a.m.

MitchMarner_16

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Hindsight is always 20/20.

Maybe in five years we will be kicking ourselves hard when Amirov turns into the biggest bust and leaves for the KHL, and Braden Schneider wins the Norris.
Or it could be the opposite, and TOR will be thankful they took Amirov who scores 30g a season over schneider, who is a bottom pairing Dman.

Who knows.

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:28 a.m.

ConnorMcJesus

The other ones Drai

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this happens for every team
but this wasnt even close to EDM
2015 1st (barzal) and a 2nd for Reinhart( who was trash even at that time)

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.

LeafsFanForSomeReason

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Quoting: moli92

then in 2015 and 2016 they would have had a better team and probably wouldnt have picked Marner and Matthews

They also probably wouldn't have picked Rakell and Gibson if they kept the picks, but it's still painful to see lol

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.

Salzy

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no takebacks

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.

Lenny7

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

They also probably wouldn't have picked Rakell and Gibson if they kept the picks, but it's still painful to see lol

Correct. With Burkie at the helm, I firmly believe that the Leafs would have still blown the draft. Burkie's draft history is absolute hot garbage.

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.

LeafsFanForSomeReason

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Quoting: Lenny7

Correct. With Burkie at the helm, I firmly believe that the Leafs would have still blown the draft. Burkie's draft history is absolute hot garbage.

Probably could've taken Biggs anyways because I have a hunch he would've still been there lol. It was just a laughable trade up.

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:35 a.m.

Lenny7

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Quoting: Salzy

no takebacks

The best move that Anaheim ever made was letting Burkie walk...

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:36 a.m.

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Lenny7

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

Probably could've taken Biggs anyways because I have a hunch he would've still been there lol. It was just a laughable trade up.

I don't understand what he saw in Biggs in the first place? Purely from a statistical standpoint, he didn't stand out at all...

Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.

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mondo

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Biggs was 100% a Burke player and was projected to go earlier than 22nd.

Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.

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mondo

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

Probably could've taken Biggs anyways because I have a hunch he would've still been there lol. It was just a laughable trade up.

Quoting: Lenny7

I don't understand what he saw in Biggs in the first place? Purely from a statistical standpoint, he didn't stand out at all...

Look at some 2011 mock drafts. Biggs wasn't some off the board scrub.

Oct. 26, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.

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Lenny7

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Quoting: mondo

Look at some 2011 mock drafts. Biggs wasn't some off the board scrub.

Yeah, most of them have him right at 30..."Above average penalty killer willing to sacrifice the body. Makes few mistakes in the neutral zone and shows signs of being a 20G 20A player, Most underrated player in draft, will be a steal in late first round."

Guys like Jenner and Grimaldi were also projected to go above him, and slipped to the second round.

Just looking at Bleacherreports post draft grades...Toronto got an A+

Oct. 26, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.

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mondo

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Quoting: Lenny7

TSN had him at 15th: https://web.archive.org/web/20110628182850/https://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=44969
Granted it's Grant McCagg whose a bit of a nutcase (also thinks KK is better than Matthews)

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Oct. 26, 2020 at 12:08 p.m.

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Lenny7

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Quoting: mondo

Yeah...draft was all over the place...Burkie was just bad overall with both his Anaheim picks and Leafs picks.

Oct. 26, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.

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Subbanator7667

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Still not as bad as the bruins going with Debrusk, Zorbil, and Senshyun (dont know how to spell thier names) and the next 3 picks being Chabot, Barzal and Connor

Oct. 26, 2020 at 5:41 p.m.

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PGHBOB69

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John Gibson is married to my friend in HS’s little sister. She’s pretty hot. She played basketball at my HS too. But I was acouple years gone when she got there. I think she played D1 basketball too.

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