Wow yeah Kapanen would be good on McDavids line! Too bad that would have only happened with a trade from TO for a 1st + prospect...

Penguins are in win now this year and next year. A 2023 first means absolutely nothing to them right now.

We got one. He’s name is Puljujarvi. Not a fan of these lines though.

Better idea:

Oilers get Nylander from Toronto, Leafs get Bear, Puljujarvi, and a mid round pick. Win win deal

Edmonton rejects.

& thus the reason why they'll never find a winger for McDavid. They turn away good deals when it's thrown at them. Nylander is the perfect winger for McDavid. Bear has to be the main piece in likely any deal for a winger, Puljujarvi has almost no value. and a mid round pick on a contending team is whatever the team makes it, likely nothing special. But hey, you wanna keep wasting the best player on the planet, be my guest

Some Random Names from Around the League - Sorted by Point Totals
-------------------Last 82 games played (All situations)--------------------------
---------------Eichel - 1795:17:00 TOI | 39g 49a 88p | $10.000Mx6------------
-------------Connor - 1718:32:00 TOI | 45g 41a 86p | $7.143Mx6-------------
----------------Point - 1558:15:00 TOI | 30g 46a 76p | $6.750Mx2--------------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1497:03:00 TOI | 31g 44a 75p | $7.000Mx2--------------
--------Pettersson - 1502:53:00 TOI | 29g 46a 75p | ELC-------------------------
---------------Stone - 1561:19:00 TOI | 25g 48a 73p | $9.500Mx7---------------
------------------Aho - 1611:30:00 TOI | 38g 34a 72p | $8.454Mx4---------------
----------Rantanen - 1624:00:00 TOI | 35g 37a 72p | $9.250Mx5--------------
------------------Hall - 1579:39:00 TOI | 22g 48a 70p | $8.000Mx1---------------
---------Nylander - 1476:55:00 TOI | 33g 36a 69p | $6.960Mx4--------------
----------Hoffman - 1382:00:00 TOI | 34g 34a 68p | UFA---------------
--------Landeskog - 1659:50:00 TOI | 28g 40a 68p | $5.571Mx1---------------
----------------Laine - 1566:36:00 TOI | 29g 39a 68p | $6.750Mx1---------------
--------------Barzal - 1609:15:00 TOI | 20g 47a 67p | RFA--------------------------
---------Gaudreau - 1552:34:00 TOI | 21g 46a 67p | $6.750Mx2---------------
-----------Wheeler - 1583:35:00 TOI | 22g 44a 66p | $8.250Mx4---------------


------Last 82 games played | 5v5 (85% of each game on average)------
--------------Point - 1225:25:00 TOI | 20g 36a 56p | $6.750Mx2-----------------
-----------Connor - 1307:26:00 TOI | 29g 25a 54p | $7.143Mx6-----------------
-------------Barzal - 1362:18:00 TOI | 14g 35a 49p | RFA---------------------------
-------Nylander - 1217:33:00 TOI | 23g 25a 48p | $6.960Mx4----------------
-----M. Tkachuk - 1200:42:00 TOI | 20g 28a 48p | $7.000Mx2----------------
-------------Eichel - 1392:15:00 TOI | 22g 24a 46p | $10.000Mx6--------------
------Pettersson - 1165:54:00 TOI | 19g 25a 44p | ELC--------------------------
----------------Hall - 1245:21:00 TOI | 13g 31a 44p | $8.000Mx1---------------
----------------Aho - 1197:33:00 TOI | 21g 21a 42p | $8.454Mx4---------------
-------Gaudreau - 1262:30:00 TOI | 14g 27a 41p | $6.750Mx2----------------
--------------Laine - 1255:46:00 TOI | 15g 24a 39p | $6.750Mx1---------------
--------Rantanen - 1256:54:00 TOI | 15g 21a 36p | $9.250Mx5---------------
------Landeskog - 1285:16:00 TOI | 16g 19a 35p | $5.571Mx1---------------
---------Hoffman - 1043:21:00 TOI | 15g 18a 33p | UFA--------------------------
----------Wheeler - 1204:15:00 TOI | 14g 19a 33p | $8.250Mx4----------------
------------------trading nylander would be a horrible idea--------------------

Jp is the perfect winger for mcdavid suggesting he has no value is crazy talk.... revisit that statement at deadline and try to say that.

haven't you learned by now that stats and analytics aren't winning anything? the team needs to be more balanced. defensively minded. tougher to play against. Ethan Bear would be a great add. Puljujarvi could still add some depth scoring. if a deal was on the table for Nylander involving those 2, I bet the Leafs would highly consider it. as they should

Bear is far more important to the Oilers than Nylander is, and will 100% sign for less money. That's not happening.

If Puljujarvi has "almost no value", why are you trading for him?

I like Kapanen, but he isn't a finisher around the net. Gotta think the Oilers gotta find a home grown winger for McDavid. For Oilers sake, let's hope it's PJ

Nylander is a far better fit.

Faster. A better shot. A better passer. More of a shoot first winger but can still find the open man. That's dangerous with McDavid cause teams would be looking for Nylander to be the shooter but he could still just as easily dish it back to McDavid for a shot. All while actually keeping up with McDavid. Puljujarvi doesn't have value right now. He's a former 4th overall pick that has almost no NHL experience or success. Barely any AHL success. Sorry, 1 season in the Finnish Elite league doesn't give you that kinda value back, it's not the NHL.

Don't worry, I'll revise that statement and tag you in it at the deadline to say that Puljujarvi has no value at all cause the Oilers have mishandled a good prospect from the time they drafted him (again).

That's not a great trade for EDM. Nylander would be there best winter besides Nuge. But at what cost? Losing Bear creates a hole in D thats even harder to fill. JP has "no value" but still has potential, he's only 22, tons of players don't breakout until that age or older, is a 4th overall in hindsight maybe not but he could still breakout and be a Nylander LTE. Also the Oilers are under new management, Holland has already improved the team more then expected. The last guy was a moron. They improved immensely from the season prior. Also, has Dubas made this trade offer to Holland? And has Holland rejected like you stated above? Hollands not an idiot and he's not taking Nylander, the guy leafs have been crying to get rid of for 3 seasons now for some odd reason. We'll keep our still very good prospect JP and our gem too 4 D bear and you keep your glorious Nylander. And McDavid will still out score every player on the leafs year after year. Because even when your top of the league in points some how you still need a winger? So what he can go from 100 points to 150 all of a sudden and that helps them win more games. How about the Oilers improve their D and goaltending first. The arguments about McDavid needing a winger is a winger is ridiculous. He doesn't need anybody and will still outscore your favourite team. Would giving him a winger be better absolutely. But he doesn't need one to be good. Can't wait for an all Canadian division, Oilers are going to spank everybody. It's going to hurt for you to watch Barrie outscore every D man on your team too hahaha

last i checked goals win hockey games, not abstract intangible things. The leafs have let in too many goals and not scored enough goals from the bottom of the lineup. Trading nylander doesn't solve either of those problems

the leafs added brodie, bogosian, simmonds, thornton, and vesey for free without trading one of the top 20 wingers in the league

'tough to play against' etc. is important, but Puljujarvi and Ethan Bear would hardly help address that. The team would have a gaping black hole offensively and we'd have a decent upgrade over Justin Holl (who despite the hate, had 18 points and was +13 playing top shutdown RD minutes for the team)

The perfect winger for McDavid is probably already in the organization. You'll likely see him in Oilers silks this time next year.

Oilers have internal options to fill Bear's spot, most notably Bouchard. Unless you prefer to move him instead. You don't get a player like Nylander without giving up something good. & the point of getting Puljujarvi is that a change of scenery can do wonders for players. & Toronto has a lot better player development system than Edmonton does. If they got him in the system early enough, they could help turn his career around.

Teams trade for players with low value all the time and hope to turn them around. Montreal traded Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischman for Phillip Danault and a 2nd round pick that turned into Alex Romanov. At the time, Danualt had 5 points in 37 career games and now look at him. -- the perfect example of buying low on a guy that has no value, and it has a chance to turn around

Yep, goals scored minus goals allowed is how you win games. Or as some say, "stats".

Lol. You lost me after the first sentence. Clearly you haven't been watching the Leafs games where they score a ton of goals, and still lose. Remember when they lost 7-4 in game 7 to Boston while going into the 3rd period with a lead? 4 goals in a game 7 should be enough to win you the game. But they were pushed around and lost. But hey, some analytic stat should show you that

well, yeah. let's look at the G+-/60 for teams in the playoffs the last 4 years

2016-17


2017-18


2018-19


2019-20


notice how the teams who didn't let in as many goals but also scored a lot went the furthest? Notice how the leafs let in way too many goals and also had trouble scoring some years?

how does trading nylander, a guy who's a top 20 winger, who's one of the best puck possession players in the league, who's signed at a below market value for the next 4 years - for a minus player, Ethan Bear help with that problem?

We addressed defence and depth without trading him lol. Brodie is a hell of a lot better than Bear, and he was free

there are very few situations where the leafs trade nylander and improve

I would've thought edmonton fans would understand better than anyone - you guys traded taylor hall for a defensive defenseman, didn't even get that much better defensively and now you've been looking for the next Taylor Hall for years

I wouldn’t say nylander is faster jp is a very good skater. Shooting and passing are closer than people are willing to give credit to jp yet but suspect that don’t take long to change.

well no shiit. Also notice how Bear helps prevent more goals than Nylander would? Leafs have the offence and depth up front to get by. They need d-man that fit their core's age. Brodie doesn't fit in with the likes of Matthews, Marner, Sandin, Liljegren, etc. Sure Brodie's good for now. But having a defence of Rielly-Brodie, Muzzin-Bear is a hell of a lot better. & Nylander can be replaced up front. When you commit big money to centres like Toronto has, wingers become expendable and you can rotate guys in. Nylander isn't as important to the teams success as people think. He's good, he's pretty great. I'm a huge Nylander fan. But if he gets a young top 4 d-man that helps the team play better defence for years to come, I'd take that in a heart beat

idk, Bear hasn't established himself yet, I definitely wouldn't trade Nylander for him. If he is consistently good for another 2-3 years, I'd maybe consider it

Also idk how easily nylander can be replaced, especially for that price point. He was scoring at a 41 goal pace under sheldon keefe

my point with the charts was that the leafs (toughness etc. etc. aside) haven't won in the playoffs because their depth players vanish come playoff time and their defence has been garbage. Trading nylander doesn't really fix those problems without creating a new one. It's very rare around the league to have not only a 1-2 centre punch, but also 2 stud wingers to go along with them. I'd be super nervous trading them away, the leafs have nobody that could come close to filling those holes

See, there's no real urgency to "find a winger for McDavid" though. He plays with Nugent-Hopkins mostly which has been successful, and Kassian which has been successful (although Kass is inconsistent). Upgrading McDavid's RW is probably not on Holland's Top-10 Things To Do list - and there are a couple of decent candidates are already in the organization anyhow.

Here are both RW's 5v5 scoring rates with their most common centers last year:

Nylander w/Matthews: 1.22 G/60 and 2.44 P/60 (541:31)
Kassian w/ McDavid: 1.27 G/60 and 2.53 P/60 (663:27)

Either McDavid is WAY, WAY better than Matthews, or Nylander isn't much better than Kassian. Here are their past 2 years:

Nylander w/Matthews: 0.97 G/60 and 2.15 P/60 (807:46)
Kassian w/ McDavid: 1.10 G/60 and 2.31 P/60 (1091:58)

I'm not paying a 23-year-old 1st pairing RHD (++) who likely will sign a long-term deal under $5M for Nylander. Sure he's better than Kassian, but how much better? Kassian is already providing 1st line scoring rates with McDavid for a fraction of the cost.

no way the penguins do this.
1st, the prospect makes no sense at all, They just drafted 2 goalies. One of them some considered the best in the draft.
2nd. a 23 1st....are you kidding me. That doesn't help them at all.
The only way this makes sense is if it's done in 22-23 like it's listed, the penguins are in full rebuild, and Kap hasn't exploded on the top 6 there.

Lmao. Why don’t you compare kassians production to RNH. It will show that kassian is just as good and I’m sure you don’t believe that. Kassian has a career high 34 pts ur an idiot.

Kappanen isn’t even a top 6 player he didn’t think the game fast enough to play with high end players. The oilers looked for a puck moving RDs for like 5 years and finally have them so you think they will trade them? It would be nice to have a high end right wing for mcdavid but they can’t afford to pay more than about 3.5 million for one. They have an internal solution of Puljujarvi who is a good fit. The oilers don’t play like the leafs they play transition hockey and score goals by winning the forechecking battles and getting the puck to the center or other winger for a grade A shot.